Random Fail: your words are false

[Niiro]

His number of Vorpals and Fulls is less than his number of Trues, which means he was successfully comboing at least most of the time.

That makes him better than average for DF.

[Neon_Sea]

Need to burn an add? 4x raw Full Thrusts, Aka the DF special.

[Vaspinne]

I like that heavy thrust isn't even in the list of moves used.

[FHT]

MSQ Roulette, CM.

One of the healers: "please boot me when time is up"
I ask "why?"
Healer: "my sister is mia" (missing in action in case you aren't aware)
Other healer: "why queue then?"
Healer: "I got the call as I came in."
<Healer runs off to die and lay there>
I then say: "Well if your sister is mia then you can eat the 30 minute penalty"
Healer disconnects a minute later.
Party agrees with my assessment and we proceed to keep the healer there.
We expected this healer to come poke his head back in during our 25 minute (there was a new guy) ordeal, but he never returned.

A bit stupid really.

Gulk theorises he might find his sister in under 30 minutes so he doesn't want the penalty.

The OF has a thread related to this, it seems that more & more people are being assy about the voke kick option leading to abuses. Back in the 1st days of Alex HM release I ended up with a SCH who was barely over the iLv required, they were mostly sporting green & HQ gears, we wiped once due to the amount of new players and that SCH instantly decided to opt for that assy attitude, we told him to get out by himself and he refused. He went AFK for a good while, then decided to just suck it up & leave when there was 15 mins left. Funny thing is that we did beat A3 that day with only 1 healer, just after he bailed. We profited of his afk to train & get better at it, that WHM who stayed definately improved their skills that day.

[The Stig]

What's funny is, if you just ask nicely without lying or coming up with a bs excuse people will boot you almost every time.

This is really true; it relates to this study somewhat, though not exactly like it: http://jamesclear.com/copy-machine-study
The illogical reason (3) should be in theory less % but we'll let it slide for now.

The OF has a thread related to this, it seems that more & more people are being assy about the voke kick option leading to abuses. Back in the 1st days of Alex HM release I ended up with a SCH who was barely over the iLv required, they were mostly sporting green & HQ gears, we wiped once due to the amount of new players and that SCH instantly decided to opt for that assy attitude, we told him to get out by himself and he refused. He went AFK for a good while, then decided to just suck it up & leave when there was 15 mins left. Funny thing is that we did beat A3 that day with only 1 healer, just after he bailed. We profited of his afk to train & get better at it, that WHM who stayed definately improved their skills that day.

Didn't realise there's a sassyness about it. I'll poke around for a thread.

I supposed we also had blast in MSQ speculating what may have happened and what happened to his sister. The healer didn't mind single healing for as long as I pulled gently.

[FHT]

Didn't realise there's a sassyness about it. I'll poke around for a thread.

I supposed we also had blast in MSQ speculating what may have happened and what happened to his sister. The healer didn't mind single healing for as long as I pulled gently.

Here you go.

If you're patient enough to read many pages you'll notice some nonsense in the suggestions made by people, however I feel the same way as the OP as this behavior is more & more common, I saw it quite alot recently for everything & nothing, from one Raid wipe to getting into Neverreap/AV/ or even Dzemael.

[Raldo]

I had a healer in a Dusk Vigil recently who asked to be vote kicked because the tank was in full STR accessories, despite the first pull going just fine. The tank was very competent, and clearly there was no actual issue healing, so we said "No, you're being a prissy little bitch" or something to that effect and continued without him for a couple pulls. Fucker walks back up to us shortly before the first boss and then completed the entire dungeon with us as if nothing happened.

[Ratatapa]

Healers and Tanks are usually the princesses
While DPS are usually the most gimps

WE CANNOT ESCAPE

[Carth]

Two weeks ago, during BisEx we had a healer who was bitching super hard at a WAR who was stance dancing saying he needed to stay in Defiance the entire time. The WAR said fuck this and left, got a replacement WAR, and couldn't even get past Snakes the rest of the time because dps were shitty and the previous WAR was carrying the slack.

I don't like getting into drama but shit like that really wants me to put people in their place.

[FHT]

Two weeks ago, during BisEx we had a healer who was bitching super hard at a WAR who was stance dancing saying he needed to stay in Defiance the entire time. The WAR said fuck this and left, got a replacement WAR, and couldn't even get past Snakes the rest of the time because dps were shitty and the previous WAR was carrying the slack.

I don't like getting into drama but shit like that really wants me to put people in their place.

This problem is real, people rage when they see tanks with STR gears when they don't know how benefiting it can be. And that is since 2.0.

[Ratatapa]

I don't mind you not having defiance, but at least keep hate, or i'm gonna be on your ass

[Spider-Dan]

I think that in general, the best solution is for people to just STFU until whatever they want to complain about actually causes a wipe.

If you want optimized tanking/healing/DPS (whatever you personally believe "optimized" is) then you shouldn't be joining Duty Finder or PUGs in general. Make a group from your FC like a true G.

Otherwise, if you are steadily progressing towards clearing the content, then either shut up or vote with your feet.

[Ratatapa]

I think that in general, the best solution is for people to just STFU until whatever they want to complain about actually causes a wipe.

If you want optimized tanking/healing/DPS (whatever you personally believe "optimized" is) then you shouldn't be joining Duty Finder or PUGs in general. Make a group from your FC like a true G.

Otherwise, if you are steadily progressing towards clearing the content, then either shut up or vote with your feet.

What no? stop with that shitty attitude

[TheDirtyHobo]

(whatever you personally believe "optimized" is)

In DF, optimized is whatever allows me personally to do the most DPS because I don't fucking trust the people I get to do it. If I'm healer, the tank should Shield/Defiance/Grit so I can spend longer in cleric. I'm tank, I'm going Sword/Deliverance all day because I know they aren't going to cleric. I'm NIN, small pulls are fine, I'm single target anyways. I'm BLM, the fuck is this 3 mob pull bullshit, do a real pull so I can flare.

[Spider-Dan]

What no? stop with that shitty attitude

To be fair, my position is aimed more towards preserving your own reputation. If you don't mind changing names/servers, then sure, tell every pickup group you're with exactly how and why they are bad.

In DF, optimized is whatever allows me personally to do the most DPS because I don't fucking trust the people I get to do it.

Exactly. Now just add tanks who believe that "optimized" is "enough HP to survive these crappy healers" and healers who believe "optimized" is "small enough pulls that these clueless, undergeared tanks don't die."

[TheDirtyHobo]

The problem is more that most people prefer rage over explaining why what someone is doing is wrong; it's assigning blame without a proposed solution. You can tell people they're bad and not ruin your reputation if you take a few seconds to actually engage people and work with them instead of just telling them they suck shit and should git gud.

It's a less immediately satisfying experience, though.

[Spider-Dan]

For the most part, the extent of my helpful advice in PUGs is telling tanks in DR Expert "OK for big pulls" at the beginning of each run (when I'm on healer). If they then decide to pull 1 group at a time, bitching at them won't solve anything.

[Taruina]

The issue is, if you type to a tank who is consistantly losing hate, "<<Please draw enmity.>>" they will take that as the biggest insult or interpret it as RAGE.

There's really no reasoning with shit 90% of the time, outside of kicking them or leaving. I have alts so I can just leave duties and not have my playtime interrupted.

[TheDirtyHobo]

I'm talking specifically pugs within the server, not DF with randoms from other servers. DF I just troll people more often than not, but I don't shit where I eat.

[Taruina]

I'm talking specifically pugs within the server, not DF with randoms from other servers. DF I just troll people more often than not, but I don't shit where I eat.

If it's a farm and they're shitting the bed, why put up with it. Just say your pussy's on fire and leave. lol