Random Fail: your words are false

[Raldo]

Pic was small pulls.

Then why are you deliberately punching the highest health add? If it's not a large pull, then the tank is perfectly justified in asking what the hell you're doing.

If it has the highest health, it likely means you're...
1) Hitting a different mob than the other DPS
2) Probably hitting something the tank isn't focusing hate on
3) Forcing the tank to get an unnecessary amount of hate on a constantly changing target
4) On average, making the mobs stay alive longer
5) Not taking full advantage of your own damn blunt resistance debuff as you keep switching targets
If I was tanking, I'd yell at you too, or more likely I'd probably just ignore you and leave you to tank whatever you wound up pulling hate on.

Spread your DoTs? That's fine, I do that too, but I always return to my original target.

[Seravi Edalborez]

If I was tanking, I'd yell at you too, or more likely I'd probably just ignore you and leave you to tank whatever you wound up pulling hate on.

I don't know why this is a thing. It's not especially difficult to keep hate. I would have to be intentionally not trying for this scenario where I "let" someone get hate to happen (enough that it would kill them).

It's not like they learn anyways. But this is why I tended to be the DPS instead of the tank in dungeons.

[TheDirtyHobo]

I always attack the thing with highest health left if there's a SMN/BLM. Killing one first just means they're getting less mileage out of bane/flare/etc, lowering overall damage. If it's a MNK/DRG/NIN, burst the shit out of one thing at a time and move on. MCH/BRD I play by ear based on if they're AoEing or not.

[Raldo]

I don't know why this is a thing. It's not especially difficult to keep hate.

The situations are few and far between and generally involve a tank that is comparatively undergeared, but the last time I did it, I was leveling WAR in Library (Lv59). Since Library is lv59, if you enter (or ding) level 60, you're uncapped in there. I got a party once with a Lv60 BLM who would constantly use Fire4 (in an appropriate enough rotation) which I could barely keep up hate against. The guy wasn't using an AOE rotation where appropriate, so my patience was running thin. On one of the pulls before the 2nd boss (3 frogs + 1 book) the fucker bursted the hell out of one of the frogs. I got fed up and stopped overpowering so he pulled hate. There were a number of things he could've been doing to not make my job a hassle (burst down the book since it can't move, switch targets as his hate built up, or just fucking AOE), so I let him go play with his frog by himself.

Long story short, if you're purposefully making my job difficult, I will make yours difficult. I feel like running into a monk that was punching the stuff I had the least amount of hate on would probably run my patience thin in the same way.

Like you, this is also why when given the choice, I prefer to play DPS.

[The Stig]

Healing an expert, got Fractal for once. I was rather pleased but then we got this gem from Balmung:

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4053779/

as DRK ... not very good, pulled slow (I'm minorly agitated by this already), and I think he waited per pull because he was waiting for me to cast Stoneskin, because this followed while we have already stared at the first boss for 40~ seconds:



After first boss... and first batch of trash died... he must be feeling really bent out of shape:



and left. The other guy that also commented above, http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6496213/ , proceeded to disconnect

Let me justify that I see no point mitigating a whopping 1500~ damage in something so trivial when I can just heal it back. Unless it's life saving or we're doing hard content I'm not casting it.

Credits for him for actually nutting up and leaving though, rather asking to be kicked, or kicking me



edit: oh hey Raldo. Go laugh at him for me please
(unless you feel bent out of shape too over my behaviour, then in which case I sincerely apologise )

[Carth]

Funny, I'm always in the opposite situation where I have to swiftcast Stoneskin II because tanks speedrun as if their house is on fire.

[Spider-Dan]

as DRK ... not very good, pulled slow (I'm minorly agitated by this already), and I think he waited per pull because he was waiting for me to cast Stoneskin, because this followed while we have already stared at the first boss for 40~ seconds:

...but why are you standing around for 40 seconds without casting SS? (especially when you can Swiftcast+SS2)

[The Stig]

I was casting Stone 3 (and cancelling) hoping he would pull!

[Silenka]

Every time I tank I go in with the mindset that it is my job to hold aggro on all mobs I pull no matter who is hitting what. To me, the mentality of "you're hitting the WRONG MOB so I'm just gonna let it hit you" is completely flawed.

Stig's party hit my pet peeve, tanks who stand around waiting for stoneskin every pull. Worse, paladins who decide they have to do my job and ss themselves/other party members before pulls. It wastes so much damn time and it infuriates me as a healer.

[FHT]

Healing an expert, got Fractal for once. I was rather pleased but then we got this gem from Balmung:

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4053779/

as DRK ... not very good, pulled slow (I'm minorly agitated by this already), and I think he waited per pull because he was waiting for me to cast Stoneskin, because this followed while we have already stared at the first boss for 40~ seconds

I am no healers but DRK, the 1st boss of fractal start with Rapid Server, which is a 6? fold attack. So your stoneskin is welcome, even more if coupled with one of my good CDs.

Worse, paladins who decide they have to do my job and ss themselves/other party members before pulls. It wastes so much damn time and it infuriates me as a healer.

Damn them! How dare you cast SS on themselves to give you a little bit of room to DPS?!

[Niiro]

The stoneskin is gone long before it uses the skill.

[Kaisha]

And Sever does shit to a tank who knows what they're doing, including the double-Sever later on. Nor should anyone but the tank be taking damage in that fight, so why waste time on SS2. No one trusts healers anymore. :/

[Carth]

I am no healers but DRK, the 1st boss of fractal start with Rapid Server, which is a 6? fold attack. So your stoneskin is welcome, even more if coupled with one of my good CDs.

Damn them! How dare you cast SS on themselves to give you a little bit of room to DPS?!

DRK does fine vs Rapid Severs, and even if they didn't, a Stoneskin before the pull wouldn't help with that at all.

Unless you're asking healers to cast stoneskin on you while the boss charges Rapid Sever, but that is literally a waste of mp.

Also PLD casting stoneskin on themselves before pulls is a complete waste of time. If you're going to cast a spell to "help healers dps"(lol), it should be Clemency.

[Karbuncle]

While I was reading that I assumed the retard was the WHM refusing to Stoneskin. Just cast Stoneskin II, why is it even an issue, Why is this a thing you don't automatically do before a boss fight anyway... am I on the official forums right now? Why is it even on the table to not cast it? Who cares how much damage it mitigates when its literally a pre-fight spell you can instant cast if need be. It may just be in most cases 1hit, maybe 2 hits, but thats one less hit you have to stop DPSing to cure, on DPS or otherwise, at figuratively no cost to you.

Come ooonnnn guys. Shit tank or no.

[kisada]

as a tank i wouldn't wait for a healer to ss me at a boss, and as a healer i would try to sneak it in well before the boss fight occurred, but i wouldn't want the tank to wait either.

it's not worth the tank waiting every single time for ss and it's not about being lazy. it's just faster to pull pull pull. i don't see what the problem is.

[Niiro]

While I was reading that I assumed the retard was the WHM refusing to Stoneskin. Just cast Stoneskin II, why is it even an issue, Why is this a thing you don't automatically do before a boss fight anyway... am I on the official forums right now? Why is it even on the table to not cast it? Who cares how much damage it mitigates when its literally a pre-fight spell you can instant cast if need be. It may just be in most cases 1hit, maybe 2 hits, but thats one less hit you have to stop DPSing to cure, on DPS or otherwise, at figuratively no cost to you.

Come ooonnnn guys. Shit tank or no.

Swiftcast isn't always up and fuck waiting for a hardcast.

If the healer was gonna use it they would have used it, just fucking go.

It's a dungeon boss, what are we gonna wait for recasts too?

[Karbuncle]

Of course you wouldn't cast it every single pull. Can't believe that needs clarifying.

Swiftcast isn't always up and fuck waiting for a hardcast.

If the healer was gonna use it they would have used it, just fucking go.

It's a dungeon boss, what are we gonna wait for recasts too?

Tanks being shit has nothing to do it. His badness does not excuse more badness.

And slippery slope arguments are shit no matter how you spin them, so sod off with that recast BS.

[Niiro]

Bosses put out less damage than mob group pulls.

Why is it suddenly important for bosses but not other pulls?

[Carth]

The issue is the tank waited 40+ seconds for Stoneskin II, not that stoneskin wasn't cast.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. In practice it doesn't matter if you have stoneskin up or not. Healers just do it because it's a thing to do.

At best it lets you know which dps sucks at dodging or not.

[FHT]

The issue is the tank waited 40+ seconds for Stoneskin II, not that stoneskin wasn't cast.

He waited because its a nice buff to have, he probably expected it alike people expect him to speedrun & hold all the crap daily.

The stoneskin is gone long before it uses the skill.

Thats fair enough, I have not done fractal in a while, ended up in NVRP non stop recently which is fine with me . but as Karby said below;

Just cast Stoneskin II, why is it even an issue, Why is this a thing you don't automatically do before a boss fight anyway... am I on the official forums right now? Why is it even on the table to not cast it? Who cares how much damage it mitigates when its literally a pre-fight spell you can instant cast if need be. It may just be in most cases 1hit, maybe 2 hits, but thats one less hit you have to stop DPSing to cure, on DPS or otherwise, at figuratively no cost to you.

Thats pretty much the point.