Advanced Cookie Clicker Discussions

[Kaisha]

When's a good spot to start using DR to farm gold anyhow? Buffless, my trend is to get to the highest floor I can before I need 3+ buffs to down a boss, then close the game to let the gold come in quicker while waiting on cooldowns to reset.

Currently mobs are taking about 45 seconds to kill with auto-clicker assistance. DPS scaling got pretty stupid as I can't afford to get either Treebeast or Frost up without leaving the game for 10 hours.

[hey]

As soon as you max cool down reduction. At that point, you never have to ascend again, because DR dwarfs everything else.

[Kaisha]

In that case, what does 'world' refer to on DR then? Just the current floor? I just assumed when I hit a wall I'd just build DR and leave it for a couple hours as the gold flows, until I can pimp the heroes out enough to proceed more smoothly until the next wall.

[EDIT] And the sudden realization hits that it probably lasts until you ascend, meaning I could have had a 1.50x dps multiplier bonus from it this current session. That would explain its stupid cooldown timer.

[hey]

Until you ascend, yeah.

[Meian]

So I've been trying to follow the thread but with all the additions and changes I am not quite sure what I should be doing right now...

I passed floor 140 with and Frostleaf at 130. I am at 31 souls and haven't ascended or used on ancients. What should I be doing next, keep going as is until a certain amount of souls obtained or levels gained?

[Uzor]

As soon as you max cool down reduction. At that point, you never have to ascend again, because DR dwarfs everything else.

Wouldn't it still be better to ascend at one point though? You'd still have the low cooldown bonus, but a lot more DPS due to the souls. With 200 souls you'd have an additional 2000% DPS - 4000% DPS with a lvl 4 Siyalatas - who, btw, do not have a max lvl. I can't imagine always 1.05 * x multiplier forever would trump the addtional bonuses you'd get from eventually ascending.

Let's say you always use it every 30 min for 100 days straight. That's 1200*1.05 = 1260% additional DPS. I highly doubt you wouldn't have been able to receive more than 126 Heroes Souls over a period of 100 days.

Or is that not how it works? Is it exponential?

[hey]

Wouldn't it still be better to ascend at one point though? You'd still have the low cooldown bonus, but a lot more DPS due to the souls. With 200 souls you'd have an additional 2000% DPS - 4000% DPS with a lvl 4 Siyalatas - who, btw, do not have a max lvl. I can't imagine always 1.05 * x multiplier forever would trump the addtional bonuses you'd get from eventually ascending.

Let's say you always use it every 30 min for 100 days straight. That's 1200*1.05 = 1260% additional DPS. I highly doubt you wouldn't have been able to receive more than 126 Heroes Souls over a period of 100 days.

Or is that not how it works? Is it exponential?

Nope, that's not at all how it works. First, it's 1.1 multiplier with energize. Second, yes, it's expotential. If you used it every 30 minutes for 100 days straight, you'd gain a 48000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0% damage increase.

Once you max cooldown reduction, there is never again a point in which you are better off ascending.

[Uzor]

I forgot Energize.

That's strange, doesn't seem like that's how it's supposed to work at all :/ I'm guessing that's why they removed cooldown from hero souls.

[hey]

Well, it costs fewer souls to max cooldown reduction now than it used to. It's definitely meant to work that way.

[Plow]

Yeah I'm pretty much not bothering anymore because there's just no point to ascending and buying ancients and shit.

I accidentally reloaded so I ended up buying the ancient for cdr, leaving myself with 64 souls and able to ascend for like 300+ lol. There's just no point to doing it, as the only way to make up for the exponential damage increases I've gotten from DR would be to... do the exact same thing again.

So basically just continuing as is wins over ascending for my boatload of souls and ever doing anything other than continuing to DR spam to maintain progress through levels.


I suppose at this point the real answer to making ascension stay valuable is to make souls exponential. The numbers will get retarded tho. But they already are anyway.

[Kaisha]

Game could really use another tier of hero just to make the transition from 100ing heroes to 1000+ing them less tedious. Took around 30 DRs before I started making reasonable progress at floor 150+, and that's mostly just courtesy of the cooldown reduction also letting me burn all my buffs every boss floor.

Speaking of which, 3 Betty gildeds in a row, fml. I could really go for an Ivan or Treebeast.

[Tetsaru]

Soooooooo is anyone still playing Cookie Clicker (and by "playing" I mean having it running in the background lol), or has everyone moved on to this other thing?

I'm currently at 389,856 heavenly chips and roughly 9 quadrillion CPS, still need 25 more prisms for that Bicentennial achievement and 100 more cursors for Dr. T. I'm still a long ways off from Black Cat's Paw and Obliterate, and I doubt I'll ever get Uncanny Clicker without cheating somehow.

[Quicklet]

I spent a day or two with the beta that had the new prestige system when he first released it, but I'm waiting for him to push that update to the main version before I check it out again. My main hangup with Cookie Clicker is that past a certain point it revolves around golden cookies / eldeer for the majority of your progress.

I've been messing around with Kittens which is kind of like A Dark Room but without the combat/exploration features.

My main annoyance with idle games in general is that Firefox's memory leak issues inevitably force me to close everything out and reload everything every so often, especially anything that uses Flash.

[Cantih]

I started double barreling both games when the thread was bumped.
FUCK.

[Kiarax]

Game could really use another tier of hero just to make the transition from 100ing heroes to 1000+ing them less tedious. Took around 30 DRs before I started making reasonable progress at floor 150+, and that's mostly just courtesy of the cooldown reduction also letting me burn all my buffs every boss floor.

Speaking of which, 3 Betty gildeds in a row, fml. I could really go for an Ivan or Treebeast.

I just spammed ascensions for souls. Sat on 70 now with +175% DPS/Gold when idle ancients and I can hit the breaking point reasonably quick now. Didn't bother getting CDR ancient since just stacking DR sounds awful. I'm sat at 225 and have to use skills to beat bosses now, debating if I should just keep this going or ascend soon. All the extra gilds I'm getting are too nice to pass up.

[Uzor]

I've a question; Why is everyone doing energize + DR for 10% increase every 10 min, when mathematically it's a lot more beneficial to just do DR every 15 min?

Naturally if it's available you should do energize + DR, but otherwise it's better to just do DR.

DR + DR gives a 10,25% increase in DPS, whereas Energize + DR would give 10% in the same period of time. In the longrun, using only DR instead of waiting the extra 15 min for Energize would be a lot more beneficial. Over the course of 24 hours, assuming you use it as soon as it's available, only DR would give an increase of 108,18%, whereas energize + DR would give 97,017%.

Edit: I realized that it wouldn't quite be 4 times an hour considering you'd still have to wait for that extra reload on a 15 min cooldown, so nvm I guess.

[hey]

I think everyone stopped using DR at all by now. Ascending rapidly has proven to be a much better strategy.

[Uzor]

that's pretty much what I thought since it takes maybe an hour to get over 100 souls for a 1000% increase in DPS, whereas it takes a full day to get a 100% increase in DPS using DR, but I suppose it depends on what your goal is.

[hey]

that's pretty much what I thought since it takes maybe an hour to get over 100 souls for a 1000% increase in DPS, whereas it takes a full day to get a 100% increase in DPS using DR, but I suppose it depends on what your goal is.

Well, you get a 100x increase in dps per day with DR, not 100%, but it's still a lot slower. I've pretty much been able to at least double my dps every 30-45 minutes, just ascending as soon as i stop instantly killing everything. Currently at 400k total HS, and not much sign of slowing down yet.

[Jamison]

I'm finishing one last DR run just to get to floor 1000 and some more guilds, then will do quick ascensions from there. It's taking a TON longer than I want but I'll finally finish up today.

About how many souls is good to keep on hand for base DPS? Is there a certain ballpark percentage to keep vs spending on ancients?