Advanced Cookie Clicker Discussions

[hey]

If you think idle gold breaks the game, stack it with normal gold increase, max treasure chest chance and treasure chest gold increase. You'll end up getting so much gold you don't know what to do with it. It's a great feeling getting 10x treasure chest gold.

On the other hand, it's kind of annoying when anything other than treasure chests give no noticeable amount of gold at all.

Bubos: 25 (somewhat useless to an extent, but was useful earlier)

Bubos is great for pushing higher floors. Same with vaagur. Helps a lot at high levels so you don't get stuck, especially if you're not playing 100% actively all day long.

For my ancients, i have everything but thusia, morgulis, and chronos unlocked, all capped ancients maxed out, solomon at 80, bhaal, pluto and fragsworth 245, and the rest at 424-444.

[Not Kuno]

Since yesterday I realized everyone with my same day count completely blows me away I started mass spamming ascensions and managed to do a lot better. I ascend every 30m-1hr and it's way better than waiting 15 minutes for all my skills to do a new boss.

Currently I have 997 HS with the following ancients and levels:

Atman: 8
Dogcog: 12
Kumawakamaru: 5 (maxed)
Libertas: 13
Mammon: 14
Siyalatas: 21
Vaagur: 15 (Maxed)

[hey]

Only 7.5 mins for skills. Do 612345789, that gives you all skills, and resets golden clicks and super clicks, then 7.5 mins later 123457, then 7.5 mins later use 89 to reset golden+super clicks again, then 123457. Next one you'd have to wait 15 mins for super clicks, so by then you'll likely want to reset if you haven't already. Probably not worth worrying about yet until you get further, but definitely a good way to get a few more 500+ soul bosses instead of having to spend 30 minutes climbing floors for almost no souls late game.

[Uzor]

On the other hand, it's kind of annoying when anything other than treasure chests give no noticeable amount of gold at all.

Bubos is great for pushing higher floors. Same with vaagur. Helps a lot at high levels so you don't get stuck, especially if you're not playing 100% actively all day long.

For my ancients, i have everything but thusia, morgulis, and chronos unlocked, all capped ancients maxed out, solomon at 80, bhaal, pluto and fragsworth 245, and the rest at 424-444.

Indeed, unless I get treasure chests, I can't upgrade my heroes at floor 1100+. But on the other hand, I wouldn't be able to anyway if I didn't increase treasure chest gold, either.

[Kaisha]

For ancients I currently now have
Vaaguar - Capped
Dogcog - Capped
Siyalatas/Libertas - 30
Mammon/Mimzi - 25
Atman - 15
Argaiv - 10
Solomon - 10

Problem I'm having now is figuring out a good amount of HS to keep permanently banked for my Lvl 1-400 Ascension runs to let me more efficiently farm HS. I've been working with 1k banked and spending extra on upgrading existing ancients, but I'm probably going to switch over to buying Fortuna/Dora which'll run me a good 1000+ buying the both, before upgrades.

Ideally I'd capped Atman now, but that's a good 900 souls for an extra 10% chance of primal encounter.

I'm also not sure when I should be blowing HS to regild onto Treebeast/Ivan/Samurai/Frost, since I have a good 40 gilds going to waste with how easily the first 100 floors fly for me now. I should have maxed out Dogcog a week ago. Makes the first 1000 levels a joke to buy.

[Uzor]

I'd recommend putting them all in to Samurai. He's the best one to use for now. Until you can upgrade them to lvl 4000 anyway. After 4000 you don't get x4/x10 bonuses anymore, and at that point it's better to move it all over to Frost, since Frost is more expensive and therefor will give you better results in late end-game.

As for ancients, get Morgulis. He gives 11% bonus per HS instead of 10% bonus. With him at lvl 160256, I get a 1762816% DPS bonus, instead of 1602560% increase - or the equivalent of roughly 16000 HS. All in all it's actually a 10% increase in DPS over storing Souls.

[Jamison]

This calculator can make suggestions on buying a new ancient as well as figure how many HS to keep:

http://repl.it/0c3/84

Short of it bankrupting you, new DPS/gold ancients are almost always worthwhile since so much is multiplicative. As a super loose generalization I typically had slightly more HS in the bank (110-120%) as HS collected on my next run.

I really liked grabbing Kumawakamaru for speed runs as well, even if it might not have technically been the most efficient.

[Not Kuno]

I decided to overhaul my playstyle and Ive been kicking a lot of ass. Been doing (pricy) rerolls to get Atman, Libertas and Solomon but it totally paid off. The way I play now is I do an ascension every 30minutes to an hour. After 30minutes or when it gets slower if the next boss isn't a primal I ascend.

The first bunch of runs I'd get maybe 30-50 HS or so. Then it rose to 40-80. After getting and leveling Atman it would get to around 100. Now I get 250HS every 30 minutes with Soloman at +50%. The way I used to play before Id just try to go as far as I could but this is way faster. A lot of work, though. Usually now I get to mid 300's before it slows down a bit. The way I play right now is that I refuse to use skills, and if I need to use skills to beat a boss then it's too slow.

My rule of thumb for HS is that every time I ascend I need to have more HS after I buy/reguild shit. So if I ascend with 1000 +250, I cant spend more than that 250 so I always gain some bit of extra HS dps. Right now i have 1.3k HS on hand and it helps out.

[Uzor]

Yeah, Atman is definitely worth it. I get around 22k HS every Ascend, which is usually every hour if I play actively.

[Kaisha]

I'd recommend putting them all in to Samurai. He's the best one to use for now.

I respec'd it all into Treebeast/Ivan/Beach/Samurai/Frost. I don't have the dps/gold stuff high enough yet to solely buy into Samurai's DPS alone, so having 4 other gildeds to up my overall DPS with helps keep things going before the gold I receive is too low to keep lvling them at a consistent rate. The respeccing alone allowed me to go from hitting 350ish without buff-spam to pass a boss, to 475, so a nice boost to my HS farming.

[Prothescar]

get rid of frost gilds, he isn't worth it until you can get the lower level ones to 4000. Tree/Ivan/Britanny -> Tree/Ivan/Brittany/Samurai -> Ivan/Brittany/Samurai/Seer -> Brittany/Samurai/Seer/Aphrodite -> Samurai/Seer/Aphrodite/Frostleaf -> Frostleaf

to get an idea of similar cost heroes' DPS efficiency, use this: http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/ug/stennett/click/index.php

for ancient leveling: http://repl.it/0Bc/1


this doesnt include solomon or argiv, both of which are useful to level. get solomon to 100, then once you can do 1000+ reliably, work on 200. argaiv just level him up and stop leveling him when he only gives 1-2 of your current exponent in dps at a time. e.g. leveling argiv from 130 to 131 gives you 1.453e80 DPS -> 1.458e80DPS then 131 -> 132 gives 1.458e80DPS -> 1.459e80DPS, stop there.

[hey]

I really liked grabbing Kumawakamaru for speed runs as well, even if it might not have technically been the most efficient.

It's one of the best ancients if you ascend quickly.

this doesnt include solomon or argiv, both of which are useful to level.

Here's mine, which includes both: http://repl.it/Z8b/718

[Not Kuno]

How do Mammon and Silyatas interact? Does it add the both to the gold total? Like +50 mammon + 250 Silyatas = 300 gold bonus? Or does the gold get multiplied by mammom first and then by Silyatas? Cause Mammon gives tiny bonuses whereas Silyatas is +25% each level.

[hey]

Everything in the game multiplies except morgulis (which is for that reason totally worthless).

[Jamison]

Hit a point where the idle damage/gold wasn't giving amazing returns anymore, so I leveled up Fragsworth and bought Bhaal & all the skill duration ancients. Boy is it fun blowing through 100 levels on click damage and skills.

[Not Kuno]

Everything in the game multiplies except morgulis (which is for that reason totally worthless).

I think Thusia (+chest hp) is the most worthless. At higher levels chests get stronger than bosses and becomes super hard to progress.

[Kaisha]

I think Thusia (+chest hp) is the most worthless. At higher levels chests get stronger than bosses and becomes super hard to progress.

From what I've read the +ChestHP doesn't factor into the gold it drops either, so it's mostly a mob to blow golden clicks on.


Starting to get to lvl750 with ease now. Maxed out atma/dora/fortuna, jacked up Mimzee/Mammon/Argaiv, and I'm pretty much laughing. Never having to wait for gold now until it hits scientific numbers. 2-3k souls an hour currently, not sure where to go next besides just pumping more into idle dps/gold. Might call it quits whenever I reach lvl1000 until an update lands.

[Uzor]

Everything in the game multiplies except morgulis (which is for that reason totally worthless).

How is Morgulis useless? He works the exact same way as HS, with the exception of being +11% DPS instead of +10% DPS.

Instead of sitting on 200.000 HS giving you +2.000.000% DPS, why not buy 200.000 Morgulis and get +2.200.000% DPS? It's essentially a 10% increase in your DPS - for no cost at all since all lvls of Morgulis costs 1 HS. Unlike all other ancients, Morgulis scale is static, whereas all of the other ancients decrease as their cost goes up. That makes him superior to all other ancients at higher levels.

[Prothescar]

The order in which the DPS bonuses are multiplied makes others, like Silayatas, always better. Depending on his initial cost, he will be a net loss in DPS for a while until you invest enough souls for that extra 1% to overcome the thousands you could potentially spend on Morg; any soul you spend over 1 in order to buy him is a DPS loss.

[Jamison]

Assuming you aren't buying him last (or nearly last) you also have to consider the increased cost of future ancients when deciding if you come out ahead.

Unrelated edit: here's a calcualtor posted on reddit that lets you import your save instead of having to type things in manually: http://www.rivsoft.net/clicker/ancients