Advanced Cookie Clicker Discussions

[Uzor]

The order in which the DPS bonuses are multiplied makes others, like Silayatas, always better. Depending on his initial cost, he will be a net loss in DPS for a while until you invest enough souls for that extra 1% to overcome the thousands you could potentially spend on Morg; any soul you spend over 1 in order to buy him is a DPS loss.

I don't think you understand what I mean. If you have him, there's no point in saving 100k HS for the 10% bonus, instead of buying 100k Morgulis for an 11% bonus.

No - there's no point in getting him even first or second. But he's far from useless. He's a very good Ancient that should not be skipped over when you can afford him as your 11th, 10th or maybe even 9th Ancient.

[Prothescar]

the point is, the amount of souls you need to spend to break even makes him a far, far, far less attractive prospect than others. he isn't efficient until you've spent enough souls to make up the DPS for every soul you've spent to buy him and then nearly double that; 10% DPS loss for every one of the souls, so you need 10 souls to make up for every 1 soul you spent on buying him. Most other ancients don't require the same and offer much more unique, stronger benefits. If morghulis was at a later stage of the DPS equation it would be a different story.

[hey]

I think Thusia (+chest hp) is the most worthless. At higher levels chests get stronger than bosses and becomes super hard to progress.

Thusia is worse than useless, it's harmful. It provides no benefit at all, and only slows you down.

How is Morgulis useless? He works the exact same way as HS, with the exception of being +11% DPS instead of +10% DPS.

Instead of sitting on 200.000 HS giving you +2.000.000% DPS, why not buy 200.000 Morgulis and get +2.200.000% DPS? It's essentially a 10% increase in your DPS - for no cost at all since all lvls of Morgulis costs 1 HS. Unlike all other ancients, Morgulis scale is static, whereas all of the other ancients decrease as their cost goes up. That makes him superior to all other ancients at higher levels.

It's not at no cost though. By the time you get all the better ancients, it's going to cost 20,000 souls to summon. So in your example, it'll put you at +1.980.000% damage. I mean, yeah, there is a point where it's worthwhile, but not for a very very long time. I just bought him the other day, at 900k total souls. The only worse ancients are chronos (totally worthless), thusia (actively harmful), and kyrsos (saves 1-3 seconds per ascension). Almost everything else beats it by a factor of at least a few hundred.

[Kaisha]

wtb Ancient that reduces downtime between enemies.

[Uzor]

the point is, the amount of souls you need to spend to break even makes him a far, far, far less attractive prospect than others. he isn't efficient until you've spent enough souls to make up the DPS for every soul you've spent to buy him and then nearly double that; 10% DPS loss for every one of the souls, so you need 10 souls to make up for every 1 soul you spent on buying him. Most other ancients don't require the same and offer much more unique, stronger benefits. If morghulis was at a later stage of the DPS equation it would be a different story.

That's why I said you shouldn't get him first. But how many Souls are you saving and not using?

wtb Ancient that reduces downtime between enemies.

Yes please.

Edit: I've ran in to a strange problem. As soon as I hit floor 1530+, the game severely slows down (even with reduced graphics), hangs, and eventually crashes my computer. Anyone else has that problem?

[Kaisha]

I've had the broken performance happen once when I let the tab sit there idling for a couple hours while doing other shit in Firefox, and then came back. Had to refresh the page to fix it.

[hey]

Edit: I've ran in to a strange problem. As soon as I hit floor 1530+, the game severely slows down (even with reduced graphics), hangs, and eventually crashes my computer. Anyone else has that problem?

I've never had a problem like that, up to floor 1600.

[Prothescar]

So the two new heroes are:

Juggernaut - Increases DPS every time you click (consecutive active clicks). Starts at 0.01% per click and goes up 0.01 per level. It slowly goes away when you stop clicking.
Iris - Increases your starting level after Ascension by 1 for every level.


They're also looking to change Thusia.

[Uzor]

new heroes? Or new Ancients?

I refreshes, guessing it's not released yet?

[Jamison]

In testing right now. Should be soon.

[hey]

Iris is stupid, it costs too much for too few levels, and juggernaut is really really good.

[Prothescar]

new heroes? Or new Ancients?

I refreshes, guessing it's not released yet?

ancients* oops. it's on the test client. Juggernaut is nice, Iris is stupid unless they uncap Khyrsos and lower its cost (these two new ones are set at higher costs because we've been unlocking all of the ancients faster than devs can keep up, which is p dumb but whatevers).

[Kaisha]

The DPS wall at 1000+ is pretty irritating.

I just added capped Kuma to my ancient list which I should have done ages ago, which will speed up soul farming a lot. Also nabbed and capped Bubos (-50% boss HP) which seems mandatory now for progressing higher. Pretty much have all the worthwhile ancients now, pulling in 13-15k souls an ascend at 1100'ish which hasn't helped much to actually push higher than that.

Getting to the point where I'll want to shift some gilds over to the seer. Got 25-27 on Tree/Ivan/Brit/Samurai currently.

[Prothescar]

Essential:

Argaiv
Atman
Bhaal
Bubos
Dogcog
Dora
Fortuna
Fragsworth
Juggernaut
Kumawakamaru
Libertas
Mammon
Mimzee
Siyalatas
Solomon
Vaagur

Almost all self explanatory. Kuma cuts the time it takes to get back up to 1000+ in half, so it's more valuable than most give it credit for. Frag, Bhaal, and Jugger are extremely valuable every other DR rotation since you can pop your click cooldowns and jump up several floors at a time without any effort, clickstorm alone is enough if you're lazy, in which case you don't need Jugger.


Honorable Mention:

Iris
Khrysos
Morgulis

Iris and Khrysos are only worth about 5 minutes at their peak efficiency, Iris has a soft cap on her level due to not being able to progress passed a certain floor with only the 100M gold from Khyrsos. This could be fixed by upping or removing Khyrsos's cap, but not sure that'll ever happen. Morgulis is only useful in the very late game when you're out of ancients to buy and can compensate for his cost with your initial soul investment as every ancient you buy after him will be more expensive as a result of having bought him, and you have to multiply your souls spent on him by 10 in addition to the cumulative total of extra souls that you wouldn't have spent otherwise on each hero you buy after Morgulis in order to break even and profit off of that extra 1% extra dps per soul.


Personal preference:

Chawedo
Berserker
Energon
Kleptos
Hecatoncheir
Pluto
Sniperino

Active players will get a lot more benefit out of these than Idle players. They'll allow you to more easily farm Gilds when coupled with Frag/Bhaal/Jugger.


Always Terrible:

Thusia
Chronos

Thusia is self explanatory. Chronos is not worth the investment whatsoever.

[Kaisha]

How many levels into Frag/Bhaal/Jugg we talking before they become essentials for the cooldown rotation? Considering blowing the next couple of ascended souls into buying/leveling them if I can make it back pretty quick. They're the only ones I'm lacking from your essential list.

I'm definitely an idler though so I don't care much for the amount of HS I'd have to blow on getting all the buff-upgrade ancients.

[Prothescar]

They gain value quickly. Up until floor 1300 I haven't needed any higher than 100 on Bhaal and Frags, I imagine I won't have to invest any more souls into them for quite some time. They've already paid for themselves and netted me a hefty profit in souls and gilds and I only bought them a couple days ago. They really let you farm above your paygrade for quite some time which is very helpful for the next ascension, much faster progress bumps than DR.

That said, I'm half active/half idle. When I'm doing paperwork or checking email, watching youtube, raiding in XIV, whatever I'm blowing my CDs as they come up. When I'm out, I let my idle ancients do the work for me.

[Not Kuno]

I havent been playing as much since I broke floor 1000 and generally make a good bit of souls each run. Feeling very burnt out until the new update comes, I guess.

[Zeb]

I'm doing my first real EDR run and on floor 310. Is there a difficulty curve I should be looking for to stop the run and to ascend or can EDR just go forevs

[Prothescar]

EDR can go on forever, but if you're only on floor 310 you should still be ascending and leveling your ancients. You'll get to floor 1000 a lot faster like that than with EDR

[Not Kuno]

Dont bother doing EDR or long runs. If it takes too long then just ascend.

Right now Im currently pretty bored since floor 1000 is easy to beat and the newest update didnt do too much.