Congress threatening to shutdown unless ACA is defunded/repealed immediately.

[ringthree]

I really don't know, no one i ask wants to answer honestly or even speculate. it is just a ton of we'll see

my opinion is it doesnt have a shot because these 24 people know they would get primaried next year. when have we ever known a legislator to do what is right instead of looking after their own self interest? let alone 2 dozen republicans...

It requires the Republican defects to support an end-around. There is no way to know if it will get the votes until they start doing whip counts.

[Bregor]

Lol, those plans are worse than the non-exchange market. Their PPO HSA plans are particularly pricey. Waiting to see how much the wife's company plans go up next week before we decide what to do once our current private plan gets cancelled at the end of the year.

Yeah this sign-up period is going to be tricky, my wife and I both have our own coverage right now but I think we'll need to go over joint plans with a fine-tooth comb. THANKS OBAMA

[tyven]

archi u r so young and alpha, just get a catastrophic plan and be like SUP GUYZ

[Ksandra]

You know, is it pretty guaranteed that insurance companies are raising all their premiums?

We don't pay a lot as is for kaiser, and haven't received any paperwork yet to say they were changing anything. I also like kaiser and how their system/facilities work, so would rather not change it unless they decide to rape us in the face on the cost.

Come to think of it, maybe they aren't changing their prices because of them having their own facilities?

[Bregor]

You know, is it pretty guaranteed that insurance companies are raising all their premiums?

We don't pay a lot as is for kaiser, and haven't received any paperwork yet to say they were changing anything. I also like kaiser and how their system/facilities work, so would rather not change it unless they decide to rape us in the face on the cost.

Come to think of it, maybe they aren't changing their prices because of them having their own facilities?

I have Kaiser too and I'd like to keep it. Only problem is wifey has her own network and she really likes her OB/GYN, so if we get insured on the same plan I know I'm losing this battle.

[Ksandra]

I have Kaiser too and I'd like to keep it. Only problem is wifey has her own network and she really likes her OB/GYN, so if we get insured on the same plan I know I'm losing this battle.

should have her test out a kaiser obgyn to see how she likes him/her.

But ya I get ya how people can get attached to particular doctors.

[tyven]

guys you should just lobby for insurance agents / financial advisors. bombest plan in the game

[archibaldcrane]

archi u r so young and alpha, just get a catastrophic plan and be like SUP GUYZ

That's basically what I want, catastrophic plan (PPO so I'm not with the unwashed masses of lolHMOs), HSA eligible. HSAs are tight as hell.

[tyven]

there is movement. chance gov opens next week, clean CR. the first tea partier has cracked. discussion is moving to debt limit.

[tyven]

Lots of furloughed peeps returning to work Monday. I don't know why/how since last I saw no one was voting before Monday but maybe something has changed. Either way it's a good sign

[Quicklet]

Looks like it's an interpretation of the law they passed just before the shutdown, according to this article.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...873.html?hp=f2

[Moss]

she really likes her OB/GYN

[Day]

archi u r so young and alpha, just get a catastrophic plan and be like SUP GUYZ

my fiancee had cata only, guess what, blue cross is dropping catastrophic plans. if she doesn't do anything before Dec. 15th her monthly premium goes from 62 dollars to 255.

what in the actual fuck.

thanks obama.

[notorious bum]

Working as intended.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU...ailpage#t=1067

[Salodin]

To be sure, this isn't some unintended consequence of his law right? This is companies trying to stick it to him and his plans and milk us for everything they can because they're pissed they can't do it in a less obvious way?

[archibaldcrane]

Someone has to pay for all the new cripples getting health insurance for the first time. You can only handle so many people with AIDS and lupus before prices go up.

[Drex]

To be sure, this isn't some unintended consequence of his law right?

right

This is companies trying to stick it to him and his plans and milk us for everything they can because they're pissed they can't do it in a less obvious way?

no, they are legally required to pay out 80% of whatever aggregate premiums they collect for medical related expenses. they can't just gouge customers. plus there are a lot of smaller players looking to grab market share who can't afford to ratejack their non-existent customer base. when you are forced to treat customers who spend $5000+ a month on treatment the same as customers who go for routine checkups once every 6 months, it's pretty obvious that the median is not going to be an especially happy one for a lot of people.

[notorious bum]

Soon as you stop repeating the Obamacare mantra in your head, the sooner you'll realize this shitty game was predicted long ago. I can recall immediately following it's passing that either the former Pfizer CEO or some other former Health Insurance big dog was on Bill Moyers explaining these exact conditions when you would be able to "shop around" for coverage(as tens of millions of Americans, including 262,000 Minnesotans, will remain uninsured after its full implementation).

[Salodin]

Someone has to pay for all the new cripples getting health insurance for the first time. You can only handle so many people with AIDS and lupus before prices go up.

And the talk was that there were so many healthy people joining up that it would off set the prices. Bull fucking shit, Murika.

[tyven]

and then the individual mandate will generate that sweet sweet revenue. GOBAMA