Congress threatening to shutdown unless ACA is defunded/repealed immediately.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-09 11:57

A handful of GOP Reps now playing the hand of 'Eh, a default won't be so bad, we can still make our interest payments so we'll be fine"

**ringthree** · 2013-10-09 12:03

Originally Posted by Callisto

A handful of GOP Reps now playing the hand of 'Eh, a default won't be so bad, we can still make our interest payments so we'll be fine"

As stated before, Congress doesn't pay those bills, the Executive does, and they have decided the only Constitutional way to pay them is first come, first served. And even if we could prioritize, we still have the debt limit. We could go beyond the 17th, but what happens on the 20th when we can't pay for anything even when prioritized.

**ringthree** · 2013-10-09 12:03

Originally Posted by Frein

You mean the constitution that is the only law designed to protect you from your rulers? The one document that lets you have a constitutionally bound (though increasingly not so) president and elected representatives rather than a king who does what he pleases?

You have no idea how lucky you are to have a constitution, do you?

Not sure if srs.

**kuronosan** · 2013-10-09 14:14

What is this crap I'm hearing from the tea party that Obama wants to shut down 16 states?

**ringthree** · 2013-10-09 14:28

Originally Posted by kuronosan

What is this crap I'm hearing from the tea party that Obama wants to shut down 16 states?

http://freepatriot.org/2013/10/06/ob...16-u-s-states/

Just your standard Tea Party conspiracy theory. "Imagine if you will..." "Wake up America!"

**kuronosan** · 2013-10-09 14:31

Alright. Thought so.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-10-09 14:43

House has 219 supporters of a clean CR, only needs 217. Boehner disagrees but won't prove it.

**ringthree** · 2013-10-09 14:50

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

House has 219 supporters of a clean CR, only needs 217. Boehner disagrees but won't prove it.

We knew this last week. I believe there were the votes to pass the clean CR the day before the shutdown.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-10-09 14:55

We have 19 specific names and counting of Republicans on the record now.

**Cantih** · 2013-10-09 15:20

I put this in the deals thread, but for any of the furloughed BGers in here paying attention.
http://www.gog.com/news/special_promo_shutdown_promo

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-09 15:28

Originally Posted by Cantih

I put this in the deals thread, but for any of the furloughed BGers in here paying attention.
http://www.gog.com/news/special_promo_shutdown_promo

linked this on fb. Thanks for the heads up!

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-10-09 16:18

Those 224 could theoretically force Boehner to put the bill up to vote, correct? Or would they need 60% to do that?

Also what is going on with that weird trick the Dems were going to execute to force a vote? Is it still in play?

**tyven** · 2013-10-09 16:29

discharge petition? No republican will ever sign it. Suicide

zealot who you working for? I SURE HOPE ITS RUSH HOLT

**Cantih** · 2013-10-09 16:36

The trick (a Discharge Petition) has certain (unspeedable) bureaucratic hoops to jump through. It won't be live until a few days before the debt ceiling deadline

And it's the only way to force a vote that doesn't depend on Boehner.
The Speaker position has authority on what comes to the floor. As long as he holds to the Hastert Rule, unless you have more than half of the republicans (not any percent the whole house, just the majority party), the discharge petition is the only way to get around him.

The 60% you're thinking if isn't the House, it's the Senate. Which is the minimum to be filibuster proof, which in practice, just means that the normal flow of legislative business can proceed. It's similar in effect, but not technically the same. The rules of the House and Senate aren't identical.

**Churchill** · 2013-10-09 16:48

How long until people realize everyone with more money than them is a robber baron?

**Cantih** · 2013-10-09 17:07

Originally Posted by tyven

discharge petition? No republican will ever sign it. Suicide

Not quite.
The big question is, are there just enough republicans, that despite going with all this so far to maintain the party line votes, will, when truly faced with fucking the country up BAD...
Will blink, get a bit more sane, and stop it.
I'm an optimist at heart, and while you will hear me say that Tea Partiers are insane, and the Rebublican ORGANIZATION is nearly as bad, I do accept that there can (and believe there are) enough PEOPLE in the party that when up against the hard line, will do the right thing.

Yes, it will make them persona non grata with the party. And if they go for reelection they're going to receive no RNC support, are likely to get primaried by someone the RNC does support, AND by some fringebag Tea Party Candidate besides.
Though as someone implied earlier, even if they do, they aren't going to jump to the blue side and cause the speakership to go to the democrats. It's going to be a one issue break. I don't expect to see a House version of the Gang of 14.

The simple fact is, unless something weird happens, you're basically going to see a full out civil war happen in the republican party in the next year.
If the Tea Party comes out of this fight happy (which I doubt, but it might be possible), the mainstream republicans are going to be doing their damnedest to get them out of seats. (And you may see opportunists hitch themselves more closely to the Tea Party)
If the Tea Party feels betrayed (like if Boehner breaks the Hastert rule, or feel the debt fight is stolen from them, which will be the case if the discharge petition wins), they're going to fucking lose it. And it's going to be a bloodbath politically, the primaries are going to be brutal. And more immediately, while I don't think they have enough mid party votes to actually remove Boehner from his position, they probably have enough to bring up the issue and put mud on his face.

A bunch of seats may be gerrymandered safe for red until 2020, but I think it's more possible than not that this is basically the last hurrah of the very right side conservative in US politics. It's going to be broken internally (or maybe even externally in November next year, but that's slimmer) going forward.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-10-09 17:16

So for the discharge position to work, it would require 17 Rs to vote for it, right?

**Cantih** · 2013-10-09 17:21

Yes, but they have to ACTUALLY sign it, and vote for a clean CR when it goes through. And eat the repercussions of doing so.
Not just SAY they're going to do it.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-10-09 17:23

Oh ok, so a discharge petition is signed by the majority, not publicly voted on? And then after they have enough signatures, the bill comes up for vote and then is voted on?

**Cantih** · 2013-10-09 17:31

Yes.
Though to be explicit, it needs the signatures of a majority of the House, not the majority, which is a party.
It's silly, but one single article of english has a lot more weight in this topic than usual.

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