Congress threatening to shutdown unless ACA is defunded/repealed immediately.

**Kuya** · 2013-11-15 15:46

Originally Posted by Zealot

Is Eagleheart real? Is this a real person?

You are over and over again stating that this law is bad and is driving your costs up and in the same breath admit that you are not taking advantage of any of the tools it provides to help you find better insurance at a lower cost. And everyone else is supposed to see your point of view?

And get out of here with those fucking emoticons.

He's a libertarian so he's not really a person.

**Talint** · 2013-11-15 15:59

So, I was a bit curious about the republican plan to fix Obamacare. I found it weird for a party who voted 41 times to repeal it to suddenly be interested in trying to fix it. But I thought, "Hey, if they're jonesing to fix it for political gain, and it actually fixes some issues, then why not?" And how were a majority of republicans actually going to get on board with a fix?

Well, the "fix" is in. It's another repeal disguised as a fix.

Originally Posted by The Washington Post

The House measure went one step further. It would give insurance firms the ability to sell individual plans to new as well as existing customers, even if the coverage falls short of the law’s requirements.

How the democrats aren't making political hay out of this... well, they're democrats, so...

**Edelweiss** · 2013-11-15 16:11

Originally Posted by Talint

41 times

Shamefully, it's actually up to 46 now. lol

**Drex** · 2013-11-15 18:46

Originally Posted by Talint

So, I was a bit curious about the republican plan to fix Obamacare. I found it weird for a party who voted 41 times to repeal it to suddenly be interested in trying to fix it. But I thought, "Hey, if they're jonesing to fix it for political gain, and it actually fixes some issues, then why not?" And how were a majority of republicans actually going to get on board with a fix?

Well, the "fix" is in. It's another repeal disguised as a fix.

How the democrats aren't making political hay out of this... well, they're democrats, so...

I don't think you know what repeal means. They aren't making hay of it for the same reason they killed the public option: it's fucking toxic.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2013-11-15 19:05

so is being a congressperson, i dont see what the problem is

**Talint** · 2013-11-15 19:23

Originally Posted by Drex

I don't think you know what repeal means. They aren't making hay of it for the same reason they killed the public option: it's fucking toxic.

Toxic? The most popular aspects of the ACA, which Republicans want to rip out, are toxic?

Like, really?

**Ragnus** · 2013-11-15 19:43

Originally Posted by Edelweiss

Shamefully, it's actually up to 46 now. lol

46 no's and a yes is still a yes if this passes.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-11-16 00:32

Obama ruling by decree that insurers now have to option to continue "sub-standard" plans (read: every plan on the individual market) through next year is some shady bullshit.

**archibaldcrane** · 2013-11-16 00:33

End around on continuing government contributions to congressional plans was one thing, but this is ridiculous.

**Restrat** · 2013-11-16 10:32

It won't let me get quotes on the NY site unfortunately

**Salodin** · 2013-11-16 13:20

Originally Posted by archibaldcrane

Obama ruling by decree that insurers now have to option to continue "sub-standard" plans (read: every plan on the individual market) through next year is some shady bullshit.

So then what the fuck is the point. And even if they offer it, they still have the ability to raise prices 300% to cover all the people they can't deny now, right?

**Talint** · 2013-11-16 19:55

States are ultimately deciding if they want to partake in the authoritative fix, or are going to reject it.

**Ksandra** · 2013-11-16 19:58

Dumb question, but why would any insurance company keep these policies when it was a damn good excuse to jack up prices? Sounds like this fix will do nothing.

Also, what happened to the cap (think it was 80% of the premium had to go to care or something)? It seems like some of these raises are rather arbitrary.

**Salodin** · 2013-11-16 20:16

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Dumb question, but why would any insurance company keep these policies when it was a damn good excuse to jack up prices? Sounds like this fix will do nothing.

Also, what happened to the cap (think it was 80% of the premium had to go to care or something)? It seems like some of these raises are rather arbitrary.

1. You're crazy, they can just raise prices, period, to cover the costs of all the sick people now signing up for healthcare; and they can do so legally thanks to brobama. Right now we have too many sick people signing up and not enough healthy young people for obvious reasons.

2. Go back to point one, there's a problem of not enough healthy people signing up and too many disease ridden people suddenly getting cheap (as opposed to not even paying for it) healthcare. These prices are justified, they're the prices repubs warned us of before. Democrats dropped the ball with this, between Obama and his lies, and now were screwed until apparently 2015 because so many important things are getting postponed.

**Serra** · 2013-11-16 20:31

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Dumb question, but why would any insurance company keep these policies when it was a damn good excuse to jack up prices? Sounds like this fix will do nothing.

Also, what happened to the cap (think it was 80% of the premium had to go to care or something)? It seems like some of these raises are rather arbitrary.

Part of it might have been not wanting to seem like the bad guys. They wanted the money, but they didn't want the blame for raising the cost of policies.

**Ksandra** · 2013-11-16 20:45

Originally Posted by Salodin

1. You're crazy, they can just raise prices, period

I am referring to this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...fies-insurers/

My question is was this delayed?

Originally Posted by Serra

Part of it might have been not wanting to seem like the bad guys. They wanted the money, but they didn't want the blame for raising the cost of policies.

Well, ya I get that. But it's pretty easy to be like, "it's too late to change our system." And charge people anyway. I don't see Obama's change doing anything.

**Salodin** · 2013-11-16 23:26

AFAIK no, not delayed. But with every other delay so long as more sick people then healthy signing up, the higher premiums will be while still meeting the 80/20 law.

**Drex** · 2013-11-17 04:55

they were @82% before Obama care passed so if anything they can pay out less than before

**Salodin** · 2013-11-17 09:20

Originally Posted by Drex

they were @82% before Obama care passed so if anything they can pay out less than before

Got sources for this? Not that I don't believe you...but I don't believe you.

**Kuya** · 2013-11-17 14:57

I don't know why you americans needlessly complicated stuff by trying to control the private sector. If you just cut all the fluff and go straight for public health care you wouldn't have to deal with this public/private frankenstein policy.

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