The gatherering thread (Botanist/Miner/Fisher)

[Hellfury]

How much perception do you have?

I never said that 1% was the top HQ% for unspoiled nodes, I simply said it wasn't worth the investment to push your perception high enough to go beyond that. I don't know about you, but I can HQ stuff just fine with NQ ingredients.

I wasn't directing my comment regarding the 1% to you specifically, I was quite literal when I said that "I see a lot of people arguing that..."
And while I can HQ my synths with a decent rate with NQ materials, I don't see any reason NOT to increase the odds in my favor when it requires very little work _one time_ to do so for the foreseeable future.

stats/gear:

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[Kawfee]

I am not the creator of this, stumbled on it from a google search, but extremely handy reference to start learning Unspoiled Node timings/Item Slots (times slightly off but close enough):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...any=true#gid=0

Don't forget to use your ability for unspoiled nodes or you physically cannot see them. When they spawn it gives you a message in game, e.g. "You sense a Lv.50 Unspoiled Gathering Node to the East". It will not appear on your map if you open the map with 'm', but it will appear on your minimap as an arrow with a glittering gathering symbol. With blue mainhand, HQ Mining Gear and HQ Offhand, all unmelded, with crap accessories, I can clear the rubble or whatever in 1 hit, then pop the 400 or 300 cost cluster or +1 gathering ability, +100 cost gathering % up, to get pretty good hauls every time. Make about 5-10k/node on my server at the moment. One final tip, don't cancel the node mid-gather (e.g. to eat food/use a Cordial/etc) because the node will disappear.

[Niiro]

Has anyone compiled a list of stat caps for DoL AF?

I can only find the caps for DoH wherever I look.

[Raldo]

Has anyone compiled a list of stat caps for DoL AF?

I can only find the caps for DoH wherever I look.

Not complete, but it's close:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ciples-of-Land

I don't see any reason NOT to increase the odds in my favor when it requires very little work _one time_ to do so for the foreseeable future.

True, but how much did you spend on that materia, and how long will it take you for that slight HQ increase to pay you back? That's why it doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment to me. I don't know about you, but at 320 perception, I regularly walk away from an unspoiled node with 3+ successful HQ gathering attempts (so 9 HQ items, if we're talking Cocoons). I don't think additional perception would be worth the price. It also doesn't help me when I'm out getting clusters (which is VERY disappointing... why don't you just get more shards/crystals/clusters when you "HQ" them...).

Don't get me wrong though, that's a VERY impressive Perception number, but you should really stack more Gathering. Having a 90% gather rate at Unspoiled Nodes will hurt you far more than +4% HQ rate will help you. If you're using +Gathering abilities at Unspoiled Nodes to make up for your Gathering rate, you're not using your GP as effectively as you could be.**

**Update: Or is there some sort of stupid max gathering rate on unspoiled nodes, if this guy isn't full of shit? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...gathering-caps

I like to keep most of my DoL gear free of materia, so I can destroy it when it gets to 100% so I can make a little extra money that way too.

[Niiro]

Thanks, it's got pretty much all of the HQ caps, the only ones that matter.

/adjusts monocle

[Hellfury]

Not complete, but it's close:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ciples-of-Land


True, but how much did you spend on that materia, and how long will it take you for that slight HQ increase to pay you back? That's why it doesn't seem like a worthwhile investment to me. I don't know about you, but at 320 perception, I regularly walk away from an unspoiled node with 3+ successful HQ gathering attempts (so 9 HQ items, if we're talking Cocoons). I don't think additional perception would be worth the price. It also doesn't help me when I'm out getting clusters (which is VERY disappointing... why don't you just get more shards/crystals/clusters when you "HQ" them...).

Don't get me wrong though, that's a VERY impressive Perception number, but you should really stack more Gathering.

on my server (sargatanas) a lot of gear is fairly expensive, I made it back in a couple of days, but of course, in a MMORPG like this, it's just as much for the heck of it :D

edit: I intend to pile on more gathering, I set out to find out if 1% really was it, which it wasn't.

[Hellfury]

Breaking 400 perception and 370 gathering it's up to 7% HQ chance and 90% NQ chance before abilities

(edit: my increase was from 375 to 404 perception, so it could be anywhere between those two values)

edit2: at 385 perception it was 6 %

[Mortilox]

Does this just give a flat 50% xp boost?

is it broken?

pretty sure I passed 100k xp over half an hour ago

[Seravi Edalborez]

Dumb question but was that 100k just raw gathering, not leves?

[Mortilox]

yeah raw mats

it only works on leves?

[Seravi Edalborez]

No, should only work on raw gathering. Just thought it was weird to gain 100k xp in ~30 mins without leves.

[Niiro]

Did you have rested bonus as well.

[Scythiroth]

From my experience, the bonus exp it is tracking is just from the bonus 50% it is adding. So, if you gather from a node and it would normally give you 100 experience, you would now gain 150 with that scroll up, so, 50/40,000. Based on how long it usually lasts, it seems to only be adding that +50 on each attempt, even with exp chains from gathering. Which would end up taking quite a good amount of time to finish that scroll off. Hopefully that makes sense, it does in my head. >.>

[Raineer]

From my experience, the bonus exp it is tracking is just from the bonus 50% it is adding. So, if you gather from a node and it would normally give you 100 experience, you would now gain 150 with that scroll up, so, 50/40,000. Based on how long it usually lasts, it seems to only be adding that +50 on each attempt, even with exp chains from gathering. Which would end up taking quite a good amount of time to finish that scroll off. Hopefully that makes sense, it does in my head. >.>

This was my thought, so it would take 120k to burn a 40k scroll. Even more if you had other XP bonuses.

[Raldo]

Breaking 400 perception and 370 gathering it's up to 7% HQ chance and 90% NQ chance before abilities

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck! It looks like Unspoiled nodes have some sort of ridiculous maximum success change (before abilities)?!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...gathering-caps

Your gathering may be higher than is doing you any good. My bad for suggesting otherwise earlier. This is the first I've heard of such bullshit.

[Hellfury]

Was only one way to try to find out :D

[Headspace]

What's the best way to level gathering jobs? I'm 17 BTN right now and been doing some levee just because I had been capped for weeks because of my registration issues. I plan to level a lot of DoHs too, at least all to 15 this weekend if I can

[Seravi Edalborez]

If you're gonna get capped out on leves may as well use some. Try to favor Evaluation types if you can figure out which ones those are in your range. In the mid 20s you can farm crystals and that might be worth doing since they'll stay relevant and if you go this route you may also want to farm dye pigments at 30 (and craft those with crystals at DoH 30). There's no big secret to leveling DoL fast. It's basically like a combat class without FATEs or dungeons.

DoH you shouldn't need to leave the guild store until the 20 quest and I wouldn't bother with leves going up to 15.

Edit: Also do supply/provisioning missions at your Grand Company daily. Join one if you haven't yet. Turn in HQ items when possible.

[Twilight Sky]

DoL = Don't bother if you don't have a shitload of patience.

[Deadgye]

Has anybody documented the stat caps for DoL gear? I've personally be wondering if it's possible to get up to 700GP after melds and food.