[Suggestion] Philosophy/Mythology tomes

[Kyata]

I sent this suggestion to SE through their in-game suggestion box (do they ever read that stuff?) and posted it on their forums here.

Let me know what you think; good, bad, what to change?
If you like the suggestion, please post your approval on the main forums in hopes of the thread reaching the devs at some point.

As it stands, there are only two viable tome farming dungeons, which seem to be constantly overloaded, causing problems for both the players and SE.

My suggestion is, why not make it so once a player has cleared the main story line (just past Praetorium) they can start receiving Philo/Mytho tomes from ALL the dungeons, including lower lvl ones (with the appropriate scale in reward, of course).

An example would be running Haukke Manor and being rewarded with 8 Philosophy and maybe 3 Mythology tomes.
That's not game breaking, nor would it absolve the need for the higher lvl dungeons, it just gives people incentive to at least queue up for the lower ones and spread out the Duty Finder load.

Plus, while lvling lower lvl jobs, we build up to our 300 Mytho tomes target for the week, without mindlessly spamming Amdapor Keep along with the 90% of the player base.

[Charismatic]

Do you really think that would solve anything? People would still mainly run these dungeons because of the rates.
I don't think this idea would do much, if anything.

What I'd like to see is something like the gate from Dragon's Crown (with hard mode versions of the story dungeons) where it tosses you into a random dungeon queue and you could get bonus rewards (large enough for it to be worthwhile) for going random.
Someone told me that SE may already be planning something similar to this but I hope the implementation isn't crap.

[Kyata]

Well, honestly, the way I looked at it is that it's a quick fix till the time they add new content.

Relying on only ONE dungeon for Mythology tomes is just ridiculous.

I realize good groups could farm primals for faster tomes, but that would need all 8 people doing it together, leaving whoever wants to run it at their own leisure SOL with DF.

[Carth]

Do you really think that would solve anything? People would still mainly run these dungeons because of the rates.

Pretty much this. It's a good thought, but Level 50's also have the benefit of speedrunning dungeons and have all of their skills available, so they'd give more -and- be faster than what you're suggesting. It does give a reason for sub-classes to go to dungeons though.

[Fievel]

Gonna do <20 min AK's over haukke manor for 8 mythology. This idea wouldn't fix a single thing.

[Kyata]

You mean 40min of waiting for "Preparing Instance" then a 20min clear.

That's not game breaking, nor would it absolve the need for the higher lvl dungeons, it just gives people incentive to at least queue up for the lower ones and spread out the Duty Finder load.

My suggestion is just an alternative that would also be beneficial when lvling other jobs, instead of spamming the same thing over and over.

And the reward doesn't have to be as low as I mentioned, was just an example with a lv28 dungeon in mind.

[Weltall]

At minimum, Wanderer's keep should give mythos to break up the mindlessness.

[Corrderio]

Even then there would be "that one" dungeon that gets spammed and the problem would just come back. It happened in GW2 before the dungeon adjustments where everyone and their grandma only did CoF.

[amentis]

How about they just do it like WoW, and have it be a random dungeon finder that gives a random dungeon, all of them giving more or less the same amount of tomes.

[Cassalot]

You mean 40min of waiting for "Preparing Instance" then a 20min clear.


My suggestion is just an alternative that would also be beneficial when lvling other jobs, instead of spamming the same thing over and over.

And the reward doesn't have to be as low as I mentioned, was just an example with a lv28 dungeon in mind.

AK is always insta queue for me, I just don't do it monday.

[Jaybar]

How about they just do it like WoW, and have it be a random dungeon finder that gives a random dungeon, all of them giving more or less the same amount of tomes.

2.1 notes mentioned this but I think it's once a day (week?)

[Ratatapa]

2.1 notes mentioned this but I think it's once a day (week?)

yeah but with mytho capping at 300 per week who cares if we can get more myho

[Katlan]

The "waiting for your instance to be ready" stuff is only bad on Monday and Tuesday. By Wednesday its all but gone. Its a very minor issue.. and I frankly enjoy being able to do stuff in between runs. But yeah, id never ever EVER do a lower level dungeon for 8 mitho over a 20-30 min AK/CM. Think the idea isn't even worth development time because nobody would do that... and even if I'm running them on an alt, if i need mitho or philo I'm gonna STILL run AK/CM because Fates at those levels are superior to any dungeon grind.. so I wouldn't bother w/them still

[Voyage1970]

At minimum, Wanderer's keep should give mythos to break up the mindlessness.

It already does...? Wanderer's Gives 40 Philo 20 Mytho

[Raldo]

It already does...? Wanderer's Gives 40 Philo 20 Mytho

Nnnnnnnnnnno.

[Carth]

It already does...? Wanderer's Gives 40 Philo 20 Mytho

Amdapor Keep (and Coil) is the only dungeon that gives Mythology, unless the entire playerbase derped.

[Wulfgang]

Won't work unless the rewards are comparable. No one is going to spend 40 mins running DF Haukke Manor with a bunch of potential newbs for 3 Myth. As already stated, just don't run AK on Monday / Tuesday; it's been instant every other day for me for the most part.

There is still an underlying problem (running AK a million times blows), but I don't think the posted solution would work. More dungeons won't help much either; the endgame community will run them all, figure out which is the fastest, and spam that one. The random idea is the best one imo, but only if it also gives 40+ Myth.

[Voyage1970]

Amdapor Keep (and Coil) is the only dungeon that gives Mythology, unless the entire playerbase derped.

I could have sworn it did but now that I'm thinking about it I'm not so sure. Disregard my comment as chances are I'm just stupid.

[Odin'sLaw]

if you want to cap mytho's on a monday and have a decent ls or fc just spam garuda 7 min kills and no queuing

[Frein]

You mean 40min of waiting for "Preparing Instance" then a 20min clear.

Do you really clear AK in 20 mins? I only PUG it but even when I get a really overgeared group and I spend all run in Cleric Stance and never heal (on SCH), we've probably never beaten 35 mins, or even 40 mins for all I know. I don't really keep track but 20 mins sure seems impossible.