Motorcycle group vs. Asian dude in an SUV

[Tarage]

That's what I assumed.

Right but does it say anywhere?

[archibaldcrane]

Right but does it say anywhere?

Does it say they were undercover cops anywhere? I think it's much safer to assume they were off duty (and did nothing) than on the job (and did nothing).

[Tarage]

Does it say they were undercover cops anywhere? I think it's much safer to assume they were off duty (and did nothing) than on the job (and did nothing).

That's what I was assuming as well. That's why I was confused by everyone implying they were undercover.

[quannum]

At least 1 was undercover, i've read that there were up to 5 cops there.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...officials?lite

http://nation.time.com/2013/10/05/un...t-beat-driver/

http://www.lohud.com/article/2013100...%7Ctext%7C%7Cp

The Daily News' sources said two officers — and possibly two or three others — were among the estimated 20 to 30 motorcyclists on the West Side Highway when riders tried to slow traffic. Lien's Range Rover bumped one bike when he was cut off, and he accelerated to escape, hitting several riders and seriously injuring one.

[NynJa]

You guys watch too many fucking action movies, carry on.

How the fuck does this make sense. So you're saying that one UC cop can subdue 100 riled up bikers.

Who watches too many action movies again?



Regarding the use of the word undercover, I'm pretty sure I read it a couple times in the articles, as opposed to off duty.

[archibaldcrane]

How the fuck does this make sense. So you're saying that one UC cop can subdue 100 riled up bikers.

Well, he just has to get them to stop being the shit out of the driver. Who cares if they even make an arrest at that point, public safety comes first.

[Tajin]

How the fuck does this make sense. So you're saying that one UC cop can subdue 100 riled up bikers.

Who watches too many action movies again?



Regarding the use of the word undercover, I'm pretty sure I read it a couple times in the articles, as opposed to off duty.

Read Archi post 4 times then come back if you have questions.

[Nephlite]

That's what I read too. Off duty and undercover were synonymous as if you have to be off duty to be undercover or undercover but off duty because you're riding.

Either way, say they were assigned to watch the group as a UC. The group was under watch for some reason (hasn't been revealed yet) and there were a few assigned. Depending on the type of surviellence, they could in theory have been deep undercover and couldn't blow their cover because it was part of some type of sting. Stuff like that doesn't come cheaply or at great sacrifice for the greater good. If the FBI were involved (as most deep undercover ops are), even more so a reason not to blow your cover because you don't want to fuck the case up. Pushing drugs might be a reason or weapons or even if some of them were dirty cops (which would explain one of them being pulled from duty because HE was under investigation).

You never really know in those instances what's going on. It's all straight out of a spy novel with some of those ops. I work plainclothes and it never goes that deep as to infiltrating a gang unless you're working on a specific task force. An agency as large as the NYPD might have a couple hundred of those things going on at once and you'll never know till some shit happens.

I'm thinking more along the lines of they were just off duty cops riding with some buddies and got involved somehow (name drops or something from some of the suspects). They were probably thinking the same as some here "Me vs. 100 of them? Fuck that noise..." and played it cool. The bloodbath from them not stepping in is going to get the lot of them caught up and blame will shift somewhere else. We still don't have enough details as to their involvement so they could have just simply picked up the phone and called when it all went down or they just froze up and backed off.

[BaneTheBrawler]

step one: pull out your cell phone, call it in. step two: say "Hey guys knock it off" Dont need to be a cop to do either of those things, and neither is particularly risky; everyone involved deserves whatever time they get, imo.

[Nephlite]

And how come one of the other people who were there didn't stop it either? How come none of the bro's who were taping it didn't jump in to stop it or call the cops?

Short answer is people suck. Mob mentality at that point throws all manner of logic and reason out the window. I commend you for being the guy who calls in every little thing and jumps in at every opportunity to help someone in need. It's just not reality for the greater portion of humanity. Most people just have their own little self-preservation mechanism that kicks in at the moment it's beneficial to act because they're more concerned about themselves. Same thing with cops; they're human just like anyone. In training they teach you not to go in guns blazing in a final burst of all out glory because a dead cop can't help anyone. Rush head-long in to a fight and get capped, what can you do for that person who needs help? Take a step back, slow down, breathe (!), and think out your next move as to not get you killed and get a better grasp of the situation as to not get you dead while saving as many lives as possible.

Or it could just be the cops were in on it and acted just like everyone else did. With that, I say give it to em!

[Tajin]

I said anybody could have done what bane just said, not blaming the cops here.

[Tokitoki]

Cruz; the biker that brake checked the Range Rover, is saying that he never intended to force the SUV to stop. He was looking for his friends, not staring down Lien when he looked over his shoulder. He doesn;t think he did anything wrong. Video inside.

http://gma.yahoo.com/christopher-cru...ries.html?vp=1

The 28-year-old biker accused of starting a bloody encounter between a group of bikers and an SUV driver on a New York highway says he does not feel responsible for the attack.
Christopher Cruz, a car wash worker, was captured on tape cutting off a Range Rover driven by Alexian Lien on the West Side Highway in Manhattan last month. Lien, driving with his wife and 2-year-old in the car, was eventually pulled out of his car and beaten by other motorcyclists traveling with Cruz, police said.
"I never had intentions to slow him down or cause any type of problems," Cruz told ABC News' Dan Harris in his first sit-down interview. "I don't think I feel responsible."
Cruz, a father of two, has been charged with reckless endangerment and unlawful imprisonment for his role in the incident. The charges could land him up to one year in prison.
Police Release Photo of Person of Interest in Alleged SUV Driver Beating
"It has turned my life upside down," Cruz said, adding that he is worried about what could happen to him and doesn't know if he can win his case.
The video police used to charge Cruz shows his motorcycle slowing in front of Lien's SUV as Lien, 33, his wife and 2-year-old drove down the highway on their way to a wedding anniversary celebration around 2 p.m., Sunday, Sept. 29. Lien's SUV was quickly surrounded by the motorcyclists, who were doing an annual ride through the city, police said.
Undercover NYPD Cop Watched SUV Driver Get Beaten
The group of motorcyclists then slowed down further and surrounded the SUV, causing Lien to accelerate away from the group.
In the video Cruz is seen next to the SUV and appears to be exchanging glances with the driver before pulling his bike out in front.
"I was trying to get his attention to make sure he sees me before I pulled in front of him," Cruz said. "He never looked back at me."
The video then shows Cruz crossing into the middle lane, looking back over both shoulders and then slowing down, resulting in the collision with Lien's SUV.
"[It was] never my intention to make him stop," Cruz said. "I didn't think I was doing anything wrong with just turning into another lane. The other bikes are going as slow as I am."
"I was looking over my shoulder to see where my friends were," he said. "I wanted them to pull in front so I could follow them. I didn't brake but when I looked over my shoulder, my hand came off the throttle a little, but the driver didn't slow down at all and bumped me."
Cruz told ABC News' Harris that both he and Lien stopped and he approached Lien for an explanation.
"He looked straight ahead and never made eye contact with me," Cruz said. "So I just went back to my bike and when I was getting on he took off."
Lien's wife, Rosalyn Ng, said that her husband feared for their lives when he decided to take off to get away from the group. As he sped off, Lien hit some of the motorcyclists, critically injuring one, authorities said.
Other motorcyclists chased Lien's SUV and then bashed in his windows, pulled him out of the car, and beat him, police said.
Lien required stitches in his face for injuries sustained in the attack. He has not been charged with any crime.
"I do feel badly for the family that got hurt," said Cruz, who suffered minor injuries in the crash and whose bike was damaged.
Two off-duty New York police officers were riding with the biker group and the NYPD is investigating why the cops apparently did not intervene, authorities said.
In addition to Cruz, two other men have been charged in the attack.
Robert Sims, 35, who allegedly grabbed the SUV's door about five minutes into the video, turned himself in to police Friday in Brooklyn, NYPD officials said.
He faces charges of gang assault, assault and criminal possession of a weapon, according to police.
Sims was arrested in 1998 for possession of a loaded firearm and a samurai sword, and he served eight months in jail, police said.
Reginald Chance, 38, of Brooklyn, also surrendered to police late Friday. He allegedly was the man seen on video using his helmet to smash the driver's side window of the Range Rover before the video cut off and the alleged assault took place.
Chance appeared in court on Sunday and raised both middle fingers to cameras and others inside the courtroom as he was arraigned.
Cruz told ABC News he does not know Chance or Sims, the two individuals charged with attacking Lien, and was not at all involved in the ensuing chase.
Cruz's attorney believes his client was arrested because of the furor of media attention surrounding the incident.
"I think that they needed to make an arrest to satisfy the public," the attorney, H. Benjamin Perez, told ABC News. "He didn't brake. The video shows that," Perez said. "He was not trying to entrap Mr. Lien and go up against an almost four-ton vehicle while he was on two wheels."
ABC News' Alexis Shaw, Linzie Janis, Aaron Katersky and Josh Margolin contributed to this report.

[NynJa]

Well, he just has to get them to stop being the shit out of the driver. Who cares if they even make an arrest at that point, public safety comes first.

And then what happens when half of them keep beating on the driver and half turn their attention to "the fucking pig"? Has nothing to do with arrests.
Why does the cop have to be the lone suicidal ranger? Why couldnt any of the orher bikers have tried to stop him, granted stuff was out of control at that point, affer the tires being slashed and the guy ran over. A cop is just a human being with a slab of metal, but still human like anyone else, not superman.

Lol@above (not my post morons)
Dude STOPPED on a freeway after cutting off a SUV and he was only "looking for his friends"? Looool

[Tajin]

Stop being so fucking dense, the cops (or ANYBODY for that matter) could have tried to talk them out of beating the shit out of the SUV driver, no one is saying they need to go "cop-mode" and start busting niggers left and right. Hell lolTalking with a mob of angry morons but hey, that's doing something instead of staying on the sidelines.

[octopus]

An off-duty undercover cop who had claimed he took no active role as fellow bikers pulled a Manhattan dad from his SUV and beat him to a pulp was actually pounding the vehicle with his fists at the height of the bloody road-rage attack, sources told The Post.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/07/bike-co...video-reveals/

This story just keeps getting better and better...

[Moss]

And then what happens when half of them keep beating on the driver and half turn their attention to "the fucking pig"?

dude, he doesn't have to reveal he is a cop to try to break up the beatdown

[Tajin]

FUCKING LOL at that quote by octopus.

[vagus]

Why hasn't his turned into a race issue yet? Lol.

[NynJa]

dude, he doesn't have to reveal he is a cop to try to break up the beatdown

Which comes back to the previous point: how many bystanders were watching? Why single out the cop as the sole bystander who did nothing?

[Callisto]

Which comes back to the previous point: how many bystanders were watching? Why single out the cop as the sole bystander who did nothing?

Possibly because it's not the other people's actual job to do something about it, but it is the cop's.