SCH/WHM - healing stat discussion

[Spider-Dan]

I know how Adloquium works, but I don't spam Adloquium because it costs a ton of mana.

You dont spam Adlo you supplement ur cures with it.
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MP is really a non issue on SCH.

If MP is not an issue, why wouldn't you spam Adloq over Physick? Physick is 400/600(crit) potency heal, while Adloq is effectively 600/1350 potency heal that essentially cannot overcure.

The only time I cast Physick is if they already have an Adloq shield up.

[Frein]

If MP is not an issue, why wouldn't you spam Adloq over Physick? Physick is 400/600(crit) potency heal, while Adloq is effectively 600/1350 potency heal that essentially cannot overcure.

The only time I cast Physick is if they already have an Adloq shield up.

That's true, MP rarely is an issue, but I do have to pay attention to it or it will be one. Sometimes I chug an ether at Titan because I wasn't managing Aetherflow optimally enough and my MP pool got uncomfortably low. When you're constantly cycling through DoTs as well as casting the more expensive healing spells, you burn MP quite quickly and you may need most of your Aetherflow stacks for Sacred Soil and Lustrate. Still, I may be underestimating Adlo, so I'll make sure to use it more as a primary heal to see how much it actually increases MP consumption.

[Niiro]

When you take your first trip to the coil you'll find out just how limited your MP can be on SCH.

[Slycer]

The shield from Adloquium does not appear simultaneously with the initial cure, it appears shortly after (similar to how DoT effects on monsters have a brief delay). Someone can actually take damage (and potentially die) between the time your Adloquium cure hits and the time the shield goes up. This is not at all an infrequent occurrence, either, and something to consider when you're deciding which to cast.

[Spider-Dan]

Given that cure effects themselves do not take place until the absolute end of the cure animation, how is that claim verifiable?

edit: You can see at the beginning of this video that the target gets the Adloq shield during the cure animation. If anything, Adloq goes up faster than curing.

When you take your first trip to the coil you'll find out just how limited your MP can be on SCH.

I'm not saying SCH MP will always be unlimited. But if MP isn't a concern, I don't see why you would use Physick over Adloq.

[Enygma55]

OK maybe you're taking the Unlmited part too seriously. Ofcourse you can run out of MP on SCH if all u do is spam Adlo. 360 mp every 3 sec will burn a hole in ur MP pool. SCH can restock MP super fast is what Im trying to point out. 266 x3 from charges + 760 from Aetherflow. Thats ~1500 MP every min not including ur native mp regen ~100/tick.

Its also not effective to spam Adlo because a lower shield will not override a higher shield. So if your first Adlo crit for 900 (1800 shield) and you cast Adlo again for 600 (600 shield), the shield effect will have no effect til the last shield breaks.

Adlo hits for 578 (shield 578), next Adlo cast 570 (shield has no effect). You are losing cure effectiveness spamming it unless the shield is breaking every cast.

Its also reasonable to assume you wanna save ur charges for Barrier and Lustrate for certain situations so that will affect ur MP recovery but for the most part, its very difficult to run out of MP unless its a drawn out fight. Its far easier to run out of mp on WHM without even realizing it.

[Alkar]

Unless you're spamming Energy Drain every minute and the tank doesn't take a lot of damage, SCH's MP is far from infinite. Try spamming Adlo on Titan during later phases, see how far it gets you without a Ballad.
Also ,with 2 SCHs, spamming Adloquium is not an effective strategy as the shields won't stack.

[Seravi Edalborez]

I generally use Adlo as I would use Cure II or Stoneskin (if it had a comparably low cast time) and Physick/Succor in most other situations. Granted I've not been to Coil yet.

[Spider-Dan]

Of course you don't cast Adloq when their shield is still up. But why would you cast Physick if their shield wasn't up, unless you are having MP issues?

Ofcourse you can run out of MP on SCH if all u do is spam Adlo. 360 mp every 3 sec will burn a hole in ur MP pool.

Are you currently casting Physick every 3 seconds?

[Gokulo]

Even if you don't have MP issues I don't see the reason to use Adloq over Physick unless the shield will help you. Otherwise I'd rather spend MP on something else. Granted, that's also speaking without any real Coil experience, just stuff up to that.

[Eldelphia]

Adlo gives you breathing space so you can do more than spam cast Physik on one player

[Gokulo]

Yeah, but most of the time the breathing space is not even that needed. I do use it when I wanna have a little more time, but I don't think it changes stuff for you that much. I guess there's no rule for me, I just use what seems the most appropriate at the moment. Instincts and stuff :D

[Syncness]

Yeah, but most of the time the breathing space is not even that needed. I do use it when I wanna have a little more time, but I don't think it changes stuff for you that much. I guess there's no rule for me, I just use what seems the most appropriate at the moment. Instincts and stuff :D

Breathing space is definitely needed in coil, I run a WHM so it might be different to you, but I'll Cure2 instead of 1 if I need that 2nd GCD on someone else.

Aside from the obvious stuff (MDMG > Vit to stay alive > MND > Crit), I'm not too sure about DET or SPS. I feel that SPS needs some sort of a buff.

[Spider-Dan]

Even if you don't have MP issues I don't see the reason to use Adloq over Physick unless the shield will help you.

Adloq essentially cannot overcure.

My general rule is I try to keep a shield up on as many people as possible. People who frequently lose their shields get Adloq or Succor. People who don't get Stoneskin.