Twintania downed because FFXIV is so much easier than [insert name here]

[Kipling]

I didn't say the mechanic was easy to understand (in fact, I explicitly said the mechanic is retarded and gives zero hints as to how it works), I said the mechanic itself is easy to deal with once you understand how it works.
We didn't know whether the mechanic was actually unforgiving, or they just thought it was unforgiving due to lack of experience with more challenging mechanics, which was the big question. Divebomb kills more people than Twister.

Reading comprehension is hard.

The amount of raw jealousy and bitterness this has created is literally making me embarrassed for the community. Please, save yourself from looking like even more of an ass and stop now.

[zsuper]

The amount of raw jealousy and bitterness this has created is literally making me embarrassed for the community. Please, save yourself from looking like even more of an ass and stop now.

Would you like to explain what part of the Twister mechanic, once understood, you think is challenging or 'unforgiving?'
I guess it could be considered unforgiving if you have trouble paying attention to a cast bar or moving two steps.

[Ksandra]

unforgiving

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[zsuper]

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Okay, let's just call every single mechanic in the game that can't be ignore unforgiving.
It's not like Twister is a mechanic that requires extreme precision and timing to avoid. It has a fairly large amount of leeway in terms of when you can start moving and where you can move.

[Ksandra]

Okay, let's just call every single mechanic in the game that can't be ignore unforgiving.

not every single mechanic in the game one shots you when you ignore it.

[Raineer]

Okay, let's just call every single mechanic in the game that can't be ignore unforgiving.
It's not like Twister is a mechanic that requires extreme precision and timing to avoid. It has a fairly large amount of leeway in terms of when you can start moving and where you can move.

We're all glad to hear of your Turn 5 clear then.

[zsuper]

not every single mechanic in the game one shots you when you ignore it.

So does Conflag. Is Conflag unforgiving?

Either way, my point is that by saying 'but twisters themselves are by far the most unforgiving mechanic I think any of us have seen in any game' they make it sound like Twister is a big deal.
I can think of a lot of mechanics in other games that are worse than Twister. As we can see, their SCH somehow manages to screw it up repeatedly and they still down her, so it can't be that unforgiving.

[Ksandra]

So does Conflag. Is Conflag unforgiving?

Either way, my point is that by saying 'but twisters themselves are by far the most unforgiving mechanic I think any of us have seen in any game' they make it sound like Twister is a big deal.
I can think of a lot of mechanics in other games that are worse than Twister. As we can see, their SCH somehow manages to screw it up repeatedly and they still down her, so it can't be that unforgiving.

We're all glad to hear of your Turn 5 clear then.

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Where's the vid?

[zsuper]

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Where's the vid?

We'll down it once we get more attempts on the last phase and possibly more gear (non-legacy and terrible RNG has given us two weeks worth of thrown away loot). Some of us don't spend 30 hours / week throwing ourselves at encounters.
Speaking of which, didn't they say they figured out Twister mechanics almost a month ago in one of these threads?

[Shaano]

people need to stop using ''non legacy'' excuse

[Kipling]

Backpedaling general.

[Ksandra]

people need to stop using ''non legacy'' excuse

people just flat out need to stop claiming shit's easy and then come up with a bunch of excuses as to why they can't do it too.

[blowfin]

As we can see, their SCH somehow manages to screw it up repeatedly and they still down her, so it can't be that unforgiving.

I'm no rocket surgeon but doesn't that just mean there's a bit of margin for error in the fight? Margin for error which basically allows you to screw up once or twice on it's more brutal (i.e. unforgiving) mechanics?

Sorry for bringing logic into this.


Xcal BG: Grats on the win. Got to take my hat off to the time and dedication that would have gone into this.

[Shaano]

people just flat out need to stop claiming shit's easy and then come up with a bunch of excuses as to why they can't do it too.

pretty much.

Titan cleared for the first time was a huge thing for me but even after getting drunk I can dodge all the stuff. Time and practice. Even then I still fuck up here and there. Worst is to a landslide

[Avarice]

... and possibly more gear (non-legacy ...

Okay,
Here's BG's MT: http://www.xivarmory.com/character/1352287#Paladin
And here's me: http://www.xivarmory.com/character/1555706#Paladin

BG is legacy, I'm not. Do you see how much he outgears me? The answer is only by a miniscule amount, and that's simply from him having better RNG on getting Coil drops, not from something that being on legacy actually contributed to (like a headstart into endgame due to already being 50).

And don't even try to argue that "well, you're tanks. Tank gear isn't as critical," bullshit, because if I can be this close to being identical to a Legacy tank whose prepped for endgame, so can any DPS. The "they're legacy, they have an advantage" line is becoming extremely asinine at this point; they only thing legacy really has left at this point is more access to Tier-IV materia. That's it.

[Shaano]

can only imagine the qq going through his head once he comes back.

probably this.

Spoiler: show

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[Jem]

We'll down it once we get more attempts on the last phase and possibly more gear (non-legacy and terrible RNG has given us two weeks worth of thrown away loot). Some of us don't spend 30 hours / week throwing ourselves at encounters.
Speaking of which, didn't they say they figured out Twister mechanics almost a month ago in one of these threads?

And by you saying XIV is easy and that so many other games are far more difficult, it makes it sound like Twister mechanic was the only thing holding you back yet here you are coming up with more excuses as to why you haven't beat it yet. You shouldn't belittle other peoples achievement when you can't even replicate it yourself, it just make you look like bitter.

Also, if XIV is so easy how come you struggled with both Titan and Turn 4? Surely if it's that much easier than other games, you should have easily cleared both without asking on BG about them?

[Kiarax]

Okay,
Here's BG's MT: http://www.xivarmory.com/character/1352287#Paladin
And here's me: http://www.xivarmory.com/character/1555706#Paladin

BG is legacy, I'm not. Do you see how much he outgears me? The answer is only by a miniscule amount, and that's simply from him having better RNG on getting Coil drops, not from something that being on legacy actually contributed to (like a headstart into endgame due to already being 50).

And don't even try to argue that "well, you're tanks. Tank gear isn't as critical," bullshit, because if I can be this close to being identical to a Legacy tank whose prepped for endgame, so can any DPS. The "they're legacy, they have an advantage" line is becoming extremely asinine at this point; they only thing legacy really has left at this point is more access to Tier-IV materia. That's it.

Most people didn't no life as hard as you though. You have 900 myth over me thanks to a double reset and that's a huge disparity. The gear difference isn't huge like some people make but trying to claim non-legacy is on equal footing is dumb, your gear is exceptional and far above the average non-legacy. The biggest gap is really on mages, the extra myth can mean significantly more VIT which is a big deal in t5. Anything prior to t5 is pretty reasonable to clear even in i70 stuff so it's the only place a difference in gear really matters.

[lilbubbles]

Okay,
Here's BG's MT: http://www.xivarmory.com/character/1352287#Paladin
And here's me: http://www.xivarmory.com/character/1555706#Paladin

BG is legacy, I'm not. Do you see how much he outgears me? The answer is only by a miniscule amount, and that's simply from him having better RNG on getting Coil drops, not from something that being on legacy actually contributed to (like a headstart into endgame due to already being 50).

And don't even try to argue that "well, you're tanks. Tank gear isn't as critical," bullshit, because if I can be this close to being identical to a Legacy tank whose prepped for endgame, so can any DPS. The "they're legacy, they have an advantage" line is becoming extremely asinine at this point; they only thing legacy really has left at this point is more access to Tier-IV materia. That's it.

My group's first turn 4 win, we only had 2 usable coil drops for the entire group(black mages shoes).

A month later we have had a total of... 3 tank drops(1 of them the shield lol), 0 whm drops, (but dear god, we've had enough dragoon drops to almost fully gear 2 of them) and the reason we haven't won has nothing to do with gear. Not a single loss has been because I couldn't heal for enough or the tank couldn't take a big enough hit or that we can't dps something fast enough. There are so many mechanics in there if you just master that make gear not matter. BG's video was the biggest help we have had so far.

You'll see a lot of wins come up in the near future, legacy and non legacy alike and it will put the gear argument to bed.

[SamanosukeShiva]

can we change the thread title already?