Twintania downed because FFXIV is so much easier than [insert name here]

[Seravi Edalborez]

Eh, I'd argue the opposite. If your group consistently kills fast 4stack conflags every 99,999,999/100,000,000 times, there's not much reason for the tank to stand outside and eat some Death Sentence / Plummet / Auto-attacks. I'd spend just about as much MP doing a pre-Adlo, Physick, and Lustrate post-DS where I could (but these days usually don't have to) just do Bio>Ruin>Ruin2 on conflag or big 3 on Twintania or big 3 on conflag and Bane to Twin and come out of it 0-1 aether positive.

Though I'd also argue this is a lot like turn 4: there are more variations and house rules than Monopoly.

[Eanae]

Eh, I'd argue the opposite. If your group consistently kills fast 4stack conflags every 99,999,999/100,000,000 times, there's not much reason for the tank to stand outside and eat some Death Sentence / Plummet / Auto-attacks. I'd spend just about as much MP doing a pre-Adlo, Physick, and Lustrate post-DS where I could (but these days usually don't have to) just do Bio>Ruin>Ruin2 on conflag or big 3 on Twintania or big 3 on conflag and Bane to Twin and come out of it 0-1 aether positive.

Though I'd also argue this is a lot like turn 4: there are more variations and house rules than Monopoly.

I'm confident in our strategy considering we're like 5th or 6th in the US for number of kills (a couple groups in front of us emo quit the game). It doesn't help that if I didn't eat DS we'd probably only ever get 1 bar LB. Maybe we could get 2 bar since switching to warrior OT, I don't know though. We have done snakes with 1 bar but it's annoying to do when something we've done since our first kill enables us to guarantee a 2 bar LB. We only get one 4 stack conflag, 3 conflags total.

Unrelated: Our last kill was around 10:50ish which is pretty fast as far as I know. Anyone know BGs current fastest Twin? I'd assume they have the number to beat. Our last one was extremely messy so it could have been faster than that. 2 tanks also probably slows it down quite a bit but we haven't had the motivation to do 1 tank. I have the video saved off on Twitch so I can time it if I get bored.

[Hiroishime]

We always have MT outside conflag since WAR needs inner beast every DS, sometimes it might just DS after conflag is gone and ruin my5 childhood

[Seravi Edalborez]

My memory is terrible but I believe last kill we got 3 conflags, 4 dreadknights. Have still always made 2 and a half bars by LB time with 2 tanks, MT in conflag, and MNK + BLM or SMN + 2 BRDs for DPS/repeat jobs. One of our BRDs recorded last kill I think so can check time but probably isn't anything worth mentioning.

We do have our WAR stand in front during phase 1 after adds are dead until phase 2 starts but it only amounts to a few extra Plummets worth of healing. We don't really need to be doing it but he likes getting hit I guess.

[Iremire]

Our tank wanted to run in for Conflag / DS but i think it's better that the healers get used to the flow of stoneskin / adlo. The only time i told him to run in was if both healers were in conflag. Also its nice to get that LB spike when the tank gets dropped to 20% by DS.

[Diomer]

Our tank wanted to run in for Conflag / DS but i think it's better that the healers get used to the flow of stoneskin / adlo. The only time i told him to run in was if both healers were in conflag. Also its nice to get that LB spike when the tank gets dropped to 20% by DS.

Echoing this. I used to go into conflags, but after a few times of DS right when I got out with no buffs up (obviously sync was off, but now we don't even bother syncing it since people can handle the awkward timings easily), healers and I decided it would be best if I just stayed outside and rotated defensive buffs since they have no issues healing through Infirm. If your healers can't handle healing through Infirm, you probably won't be killing her anyway so it's definitely good practice for later phases. Our group has ended up at LB1 a bunch of times still even without me going into conflags, so there's that as well. Even with only LB1, we still get snakes down, but LB2 obviously makes things much more smoothly and we'd have no shot at LB2 if I went into conflags.

I'm curious what people have for preferences as far as solo tanking or dual tanking goes... we did a bunch of dual tanking for awhile when we first were learning the fight and too many exploding conflags led me to switch to solo tank, which I personally prefer. I feel like there's a lot of room for error with 5 DD; we had 5 DD deaths last night (2 BLMs twice each, 1 BRD died @ .5%) and still cleared with a minute on enrage. Obviously if the tank dies, it's over most likely, but as healers get more comfortable with a fight, a tank death is very rarely the issue.

[Taint]

Which shield do you guys use for Twin? LSmate is telling me to get Onion for t5.

[Diomer]

Which shield do you guys use for Twin? LSmate is telling me to get Onion for t5.

I use Zenith still, but I've never tried Onion.

[solipsism]

2 tanks also probably slows it down quite a bit but we haven't had the motivation to do 1 tank.

My group recently switched to one tanking it (we have 11 or 12 kills total I think) and I find it to be much easier overall than two tanking it. I also support it since it means I can nab the helm if it ever drops

[Eanae]

My group recently switched to one tanking it (we have 11 or 12 kills total I think) and I find it to be much easier overall than two tanking it. I also support it since it means I can nab the helm if it ever drops

I'm up for the helm so doesn't matter to me.

Which shield do you guys use for Twin? LSmate is telling me to get Onion for t5.

Allagan > zenith > onion

[solipsism]

Which shield do you guys use for Twin? LSmate is telling me to get Onion for t5.

I thought the math was pretty consistent in that kite shields were superior? I'd rather have the increased block strength than block rate, it also makes Bulwark a better cooldown.

[Petitssk]

Personally, I'd rather have better odds of blocking Death Sentence. Blocking for 26% (I think, can't quite remember) instead of 20% is rather unlikely to make the difference between life and death, as you'll probably survive either way. Blocking more often for 20% damage mitigation, on the other hand, sounds like a fairly good option.

[AshTS]

I'm confident in our strategy considering we're like 5th or 6th in the US for number of kills (a couple groups in front of us emo quit the game). It doesn't help that if I didn't eat DS we'd probably only ever get 1 bar LB. Maybe we could get 2 bar since switching to warrior OT, I don't know though. We have done snakes with 1 bar but it's annoying to do when something we've done since our first kill enables us to guarantee a 2 bar LB. We only get one 4 stack conflag, 3 conflags total.

Unrelated: Our last kill was around 10:50ish which is pretty fast as far as I know. Anyone know BGs current fastest Twin? I'd assume they have the number to beat. Our last one was extremely messy so it could have been faster than that. 2 tanks also probably slows it down quite a bit but we haven't had the motivation to do 1 tank. I have the video saved off on Twitch so I can time it if I get bored.

Just looking at a few parses, somewhere in the neighborhood of 9:45 for fastest.

[Eanae]

Just looking at a few parses, somewhere in the neighborhood of 9:45 for fastest.

1 tank or 2?

[BerenTebogo]

For 1 tank I assume the methods for snakes / DN / eggs must be pretty different from the "norm" yeah?

[Fondue]

For 1 tank I assume the methods for snakes / DN / eggs must be pretty different from the "norm" yeah?

aoe babby snakes down but dont kill > mage lb all 5 and tank hallowed >aoe down other 2 snakes kill big

mt stun DN once

melee dps hatch egg

[Seravi Edalborez]

Not personally confirmed, but I'm told you can have a pet eat Hatch. They don't count as being in the neurolink though so they take full damage modified by pet AoE damage reduction (which shouldn't kill them).

[Lokus]

Not personally confirmed, but I'm told you can have a pet eat Hatch. They don't count as being in the neurolink though so they take full damage modified by pet AoE damage reduction (which shouldn't kill them).

Someone in my FC has done it that way. The SMN summoned Titan-egi and kept it in the Neurolink to eat every Hatch. I assume the pet gets damaged enough where HP is an issue otherwise they would have kept Garuda in there but I've never done it so not sure on the exact details.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Gonna put my fairy in there with the OT next week and see if it oneshots her. If it doesn't I'm gonna stick her in there the week after.

Nice thing about this is that pets don't take fireball floor AoE damage in this fight.

[solipsism]

This is what I get for not checking this myself. I have been told by multiple people that a pet can't soak hatches.