BC Turn 2

**Waraji** · 2013-10-09 08:46

Originally Posted by Grey Jorildyn

One tip for tanks that really help: focus target your tanking partner. When using focustarget you can see the timer on the debuff ticking down on them and swap hate without even needing to communicate it.

This, I do this shit alllll the time. even if I have the tank Last on the Party List, or first, I keep em Focus Targeted to keep a watchful eye on those stacks. 4 Stacks is fine on ADS, but 3 is optimal. Key is keeping focus on stacks when it starts getting towards ~50% HP, what with people running around for Rot and Ballast going off, it can get somewhat distracting. Just keep focused on wtf you need to be doing as a tank.

**lilbubbles** · 2013-10-09 08:47

Originally Posted by Obsidian

How are Paladins handling cooldowns on ADS? I ask because on two or three attempts tonight I was at 2-3 stacks, with 5K HP, and got dropped like a lead weight by seemingly nothing other than a couple normal hits that I ate for 1.5-2k each followed by the wind crap that finished me off. As far as I could see, nothing ADS does is blockable, so Bulwark is effectively useless. I can't seem to find good times to use, say, Foresight and Awareness, because I'll be A-okay for most of the fight until ADS decides it's time I took a seat.

It would be great if I could figure out why I apparently have so little control over my own well-being in this particular fight.

I haven't tried the alternate path they are talking about, but when always going left there is some luck to it. Just keep at it and save cooldowns until 25%.

I've seen ADS chunk a tank down to 10% from full while other times he does no significant damage. Our last run the bard disconnected and we missed a stun at 50%, but we still won because ADS didn't bring his big boy pants that time. It makes no sense, but whatever.

2 weeks into raiding with 4 dragoon drops(we have no dragoon, so thats one solid wasted week), 1 allagan shield(I guess i'll level paladin eventually), and 3 dps items. FML

**Day** · 2013-10-09 09:00

Originally Posted by Iremire

which rooms are piercing / blunt nodes?

we go right, right, boss. so I can only assume the 2 west nodes are the blunt and piercing.

**Eanae** · 2013-10-09 09:07

Monitoring Node
Primary Ability: Vacuum Wave
Debuff: Increases damage dealt to ADS

Sanitary Node (right path)
Primary Ability: Ballast
Buff: Increases piercing resistance on ADS

Defense Node (left path)
Primary Ability: Chain Lightning
Buff: Increases slashing resistance on ADS

Attack Node (right path)
Primary Ability: Gravity Field
Buff: Increases blunt resistance on ADS

Attack Node (left path)
Primary Ability: Firestream
Buff: Increases magic resistance on ADS

ADS

Quarantine Node (right path)
Primary Ability: Allagan Rot
Buff: Increases haste on ADS

**Day** · 2013-10-09 09:08

thanks man was trying to find that. sure do get a lot of rubbish when you search for ffxiv info.

**Lucavi** · 2013-10-09 09:09

Originally Posted by Grey Jorildyn

One tip for tanks that really help: focus target your tanking partner. When using focustarget you can see the timer on the debuff ticking down on them and swap hate without even needing to communicate it.

Brilliant idea. I will steal this and communicate this with my partner.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-09 09:22

idk why you'd need to do that when you can see the stacks on the party list anyway. Stop attacking @3 stacks, other tank readies Rage/Butcher's Block and pops voke just before it. We call it out regardless as a courtesy to our lootwhoring DRG so he doesn't get himself cleaved when it turns but after a couple runs it really shouldn't require any communication.

**Day** · 2013-10-09 09:33

lmao thats the 3rd lootwhoring drg i've heard of in last 2 days

**Eanae** · 2013-10-09 09:35

Just realized I'm fairly sure I swapped the debuffs on the left two mobs on that list but can't check myself until Monday.

**Grey Jorildyn** · 2013-10-09 10:17

Originally Posted by Kiarax

idk why you'd need to do that when you can see the stacks on the party list anyway. Stop attacking @3 stacks, other tank readies Rage/Butcher's Block and pops voke just before it. We call it out regardless as a courtesy to our lootwhoring DRG so he doesn't get himself cleaved when it turns but after a couple runs it really shouldn't require any communication.

You can see the seconds countdown with focustarget unlike with party list. Just good to know for some.

**Lucavi** · 2013-10-09 10:19

Originally Posted by Kiarax

idk why you'd need to do that when you can see the stacks on the party list anyway. Stop attacking @3 stacks, other tank readies Rage/Butcher's Block and pops voke just before it. We call it out regardless as a courtesy to our lootwhoring DRG so he doesn't get himself cleaved when it turns but after a couple runs it really shouldn't require any communication.

Its not an issue for us as we call out "pulling in 3" on vent and haven't had a problem with it, but its just good to know exactly when the stacks are gone.

**Rocl** · 2013-10-09 10:40

Monitoring Node gives Determination Up, it's another buff. (You can even tell since the icon is blue/pointing up)

Also worth noting all those buffs carry to every node, not just ADS.

**Niiro** · 2013-10-09 10:45

Originally Posted by Kiarax

idk why you'd need to do that when you can see the stacks on the party list anyway. Stop attacking @3 stacks, other tank readies Rage/Butcher's Block and pops voke just before it. We call it out regardless as a courtesy to our lootwhoring DRG so he doesn't get himself cleaved when it turns but after a couple runs it really shouldn't require any communication.

Aside from seeing timer (as mentioned) the party list can only show a limited number of buffs/debuffs (think it's 5? maybe 6).

Protect, Oath, and food take up 3 spots 100% of the time, add in Regen/Adloq/Stoneskin, any defensive buffs, FoF, etc, and stuff can easily be pushed out of sight.

**BerenTebogo** · 2013-10-09 10:48

For tank swapping we just do it as whoever is up on silence uses SW -> wait 2-4 seconds -> voke + halone. No discussion needed.

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-10-09 11:44

Originally Posted by Waraji

even if I have the tank Last on the Party List, or first

You know you can change that right?

Spoiler: show

Click on anyone below your name, then use the up/down arrows left of Leave / Disband. Or confirm (not leftclick, as this pulls up subcommands) on a person, scroll up/down via w/e your menu keys are, confirm again.

**Cichy** · 2013-10-09 12:17

Originally Posted by Obsidian

How are Paladins handling cooldowns on ADS? I ask because on two or three attempts tonight I was at 2-3 stacks, with 5K HP, and got dropped like a lead weight by seemingly nothing other than a couple normal hits that I ate for 1.5-2k each followed by the wind crap that finished me off. As far as I could see, nothing ADS does is blockable, so Bulwark is effectively useless. I can't seem to find good times to use, say, Foresight and Awareness, because I'll be A-okay for most of the fight until ADS decides it's time I took a seat.

It would be great if I could figure out why I apparently have so little control over my own well-being in this particular fight.

Make sure your healers are also proactive instead of reactive. They should not be waiting for you to get hit, they need to watch ADS attack patterns and cure accordingly. Me and the Sch in my group spam cures on the tank that has hate no matter what. As a WHM you can afford to Cure I all the time and SCH MP should be no issue. It seems to me like the healers in your group may not be doing their job

**Waraji** · 2013-10-09 12:48

Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez

You know you can change that right?

Been known that since P4. Point is, I don't have to bother, regardless I like seeing the Timer on the buffs because next stack usually happens at 19. Makes it 10 times easier to coordinate when exactly I grab hate.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-09 21:15

Originally Posted by Niiro

Aside from seeing timer (as mentioned) the party list can only show a limited number of buffs/debuffs (think it's 5? maybe 6).

Protect, Oath, and food take up 3 spots 100% of the time, add in Regen/Adloq/Stoneskin, any defensive buffs, FoF, etc, and stuff can easily be pushed out of sight.

Debuffs always take priority and show up at the far left. I think disease is (was?) bugged and is the only one that doesn't. ADS stacks are definitely always there though.

**Lucavi** · 2013-10-09 23:12

Beat our heads against this about 25 times tonight. RNG on rot on off-tanks screwed us on Rot ADS, while super fast charge times on laser screwed us on non-rot ADS. The lag tonight didn't help; nobody dodged a single laser on the non-rot path, myself included.

Very annoyed that rot can start on off-tanks, especially if the off-tank switches hate right as rot lands on him, and now must draw the goddamn boss onto the squishes or wipe the raid.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-09 23:16

Just have #1 run and pick it up. We have a DRG so he just grabs it off tank and takes it to ranged peeps.

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