Another exploit - Wholly Unsecured Database

**Kincard** · 2013-10-13 19:52

I don't get why SE haven't done anything about it since shit hit the fan the other day.

I'm guessing that they're working on it, they're apparently scared enough of hack that they decided to ban one of the guys here off their forums for posting it as a bug report, as well as deleting multiple threads about it (Why would they keep deleting these threads specifically instead one of many "SE is still shitty after 10 years so i'll keep buying their games" threads)

**Fievel** · 2013-10-13 20:18

Your avatar horrifies me.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 20:33

Originally Posted by arus2001

Those of us wanting to see more than a vague STFU report, a potentially fake/edited video, and some random screenshot inspiring an anonymous posting,

Why are tinfoil hat people ignoring the lodestone link?

Are you seriously trying to claim someone hacked the lodestone to put in a fake profile?

**Izzy** · 2013-10-13 20:52

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Are you seriously trying to claim someone hacked the lodestone to put in a fake profile?

There's at least 3 people in the last 2 pages claiming exactly that.

Denial is a strong emotion.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 21:16

Originally Posted by Izzy

There's at least 3 people in the last 2 pages claiming exactly that.

Denial is a strong emotion.

That's just all kinds of sad.

**Lucavi** · 2013-10-13 21:30

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Why are tinfoil hat people ignoring the lodestone link?

Are you seriously trying to claim someone hacked the lodestone to put in a fake profile?

Yes. A few people are.

**Cairthenn** · 2013-10-13 21:44

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Why are tinfoil hat people ignoring the lodestone link?

Are you seriously trying to claim someone hacked the lodestone to put in a fake profile?

I already gave an alternative, actually simple explanation for why this could have happened.

Again, not saying this isn't going on. Just the evidence people are pointing to is probably actually not related.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 21:48

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

I already gave an alternative, actually simple explanation for why this could have happened.

Again, not saying this isn't going on. Just the evidence people are pointing to is probably actually not related.

Are you referring to this?

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

You could either edit the item you were buying (this worked) or perhaps just edit the item in your inventory and use it (unsure).

Not saying that what's being talked about isn't happening, I'm just nearly positive that if you want an example of it, this isn't it.

You do realize that's what this whole thread has been talking about an exploit doing just that, right?

**Cairthenn** · 2013-10-13 21:56

No, it's not. The result may be the same but the process is nowhere near the same thing.

**Raldo** · 2013-10-13 22:02

I don't think most people give a shit, if the result is the same.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 22:04

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

No, it's not. The result may be the same but the process is nowhere near the same thing.

pray tell how is that any different. Changing items then npcing them for Gil (allagan pieces), is what people are going on about. Splitting hairs about the how doesn't make the evidence fake.

**Cairthenn** · 2013-10-13 22:12

Because the scope of what you can do with either method is completely different. Because the one involving cheat engine was fixed awhile ago (and the Gil made would have been mostly removed with the previous banning) while the status of the other claim is uncertain. Because touting of incorrect information because you don't know what you're talking about as a result of a lack of procedural evidence is a poor way to go about any situation.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 22:15

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

Because the scope of what you can do with either method is completely different. Because the one involving cheat engine was fixed awhile ago (and the Gil made would have been mostly removed with the previous banning) while the status of the other claim is uncertain. Because touting of incorrect information because you don't know what you're talking about is a poor way to go about any situation.

How does this change the fact that the lodestone profile had legacy minions?

idgi. He was JUST banned, so saying that it would have been removed with the previous bannings makes zero sense.

It's not incorrect information that the guy had it, and people are ignoring it.

As well, I can say with 100% certainty that the leveling thing is real and current as I saw it on my husband's comp this past week.

This is not something that was fixed awhile ago.

If you want to tinfoil hat the HOW that's fine, but people are trying to claim this is all just editing/photoshop, and that's not possible with the lodestone link.

**Cairthenn** · 2013-10-13 22:19

I explicitly stated that all I'm calling into question is the how, and that's because it's a matter of a simple fuck up (that would be easily traceable) versus a potentially huge security issue on their part.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 22:21

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

I explicitly stated that all I'm calling into question is the how, and that's because it's a matter of a simple fuck up (that would be easily traceable) versus a potentially huge security issue on their part.

Then why quote me when I am talking about people ignoring it and claiming photoshop/editing?

[edit] I could, quite frankly, give less fucks about the how. I am not computer geeky enough to care. I just care that it's happening.

**Cairthenn** · 2013-10-13 22:24

Because people are skeptical about the method by which this is occurring as well, and a more easily accessible and plausible solution for some of the things that are popping up might make them see reason.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 22:27

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

Because people are skeptical about the method by which this is occurring as well, and a more easily accessible and plausible solution for some of the things that are popping up might make them see reason.

That still doesn't justify ignoring something that can't be photoshopped. You are making zero sense right now.

"because I want to be skeptical, I am going to ignore evidence that proves my theory wrong" is not very smart.

If you really care what programming tool/method/w/e is used go for it, but still realize it's happening. The lodestone profile cannot be ignored just so people can pretend they've seen some shops in their time.

**Cairthenn** · 2013-10-13 22:31

Some people didn't actually see the lodestone profile though, and those seemed to be the ones claiming "not happening".

Originally Posted by Eanae

Never saw lodestone link. Still waiting for real proof. zzz

Edit: Just from an accessibility perspective, something doable with cheatengine is far more plausible to most. I know you're not interested in the technicalities, so this is a mostly pointless venture, but I'm of the opinion that these technicalities hold fair significance.

**Ksandra** · 2013-10-13 22:34

Originally Posted by Cairthenn

Some people didn't actually see the lodestone profile though, and those seemed to be the ones claiming "not happening".

And those are the ones that I think are being idiots. Eanae is a reddit mod, it was all over the place in there when people found the link.

Again, iono how to make this clearer. I really don't care if you wanna debate the how. Even if people figured it out, I probably wouldn't understand the specifics because I am not technical like that. So if you wanna sit there and go off about SQL/HTML/AOL.com/whatever the fuck the lingo is, more power to you. I am not even remotely going to step into that convo, because I fully admit I don't know anything related to that.

I do however, think people are tin foil for thinking this didn't happen/isn't happening at all.

**arus2001** · 2013-10-13 22:35

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Why are tinfoil hat people ignoring the lodestone link?

Are you seriously trying to claim someone hacked the lodestone to put in a fake profile?

Did someone bug something up? Perhaps. By what's being claimed to be going around? Skeptical. I don't trust people to be restrained about this kind of stuff. The most recent example I can think of is in D3 when they upped the cap of gold you could sell on the RMAH. People were basically able to bug the system and dupe gold. Shit multiplied in price exponentially within hours. We've basically got the same possible outcome here, but things still seem stable. Hoax from haters or SE being on the ball for a change? This is not the kind of "bug" you allow the servers to stay up with in existence. Squishing posts about it, fact or fiction, is a PR no-brainer, though. Even if SE left them up and a GM said it wasn't a thing, you'd still have fuckwits claiming they're lying and trying to save face. Now, if you've got 100+ lodestone profiles with ill-gotten goods... whole lot of guilty til proven innocent going on, I guess.

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