Summoner / Scholar sort-of in-depth

[Shaano]

Always see BRD kiting in groups oh the level of stress I could lose if I could go balls to the wall DPS. I sit at 250 at the end of our runs, but a lot of the time I throw dots and just camp the board to see if any renauds are up so a lot of down time for me.

[Kaisha]

Anyone bothered making the SCH kite T7 yet? Assuming capped ACC and lotta sprinting to get around a pulled renny and voice it away from the PT in time.

Wouldn't benefit much outside of last phase though since you want to stagger your DPS for phase transitions for voice/shriek anyways.

[Kaixin]

This week, I am MNK kiting with arm of the destroyer to prove a point to our bards.

[StUfF]

This week, I am MNK kiting with arm of the destroyer to prove a point to our bards.

I've seen groups have the off-tank, healer or even DRG kite because their range are inept at fireballs/kiting. I guess you can add MNK to that list.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Our T7s were pretty messy this week but our kite priority order usually fell to SMN sub (one of our 2 BRDs goes SMN to let our SMN main do more DPS lol) > SMN main > WAR OT > we're kinda fucked if all 3 of them are dead. Back when I still played SCH I kited in emergencies but I wouldn't recommend it without accuracy to self-Swift-Miasma when needed.

[The47thSen]

In case anyone's interested in seeing what standard camera looks and feels like.
Excuse the bad play, we're new at this endgame thingy.
First clear for me, whitemage and knight. We only started doing this Tuesday.

[Neon_Sea]

Why are the crystals so large on your UI???

[Silenka]

does a controller get strafe keys? D:

Sort of. You can't do it in 3rd person (you just run to the side, facing whichever side you went). But in first person mode you can move side to side and still be facing the direction you started.

[Kaisha]

How minor are the 2.3 changes to smn pets looking?

All I've gathered is you can squeeze a couple Aerial Slashes (which'll be instant instead of 3sec cast) in the time it takes Ruda to use one Blade, which would be a very slight increase in her DPS per minute in optimal conditions.

Assuming my math isn't fucked, 4s for a Wind blade (1sec cast, 3sec recast), that's 1500 potency a minute, slap in two Aerial Slash, bumps it to 1580.
(of course she'll never actually queue Aerial Slash that perfectly)

Ifrit's +5 potency to Flaming/Crimson seems like a missed opportunity for improving him all around on the other hand. I'll still take Ruda's contagion over his offerings any day.

[Lokus]

I would have been happy if they gave Ifrit a shoulder tackle to help for the times he has to chase down a target. Aside from that, he isn't as terrible as people think and he's somewhat comparable to Garuda in current content.

[Niiro]

He's comparable if you factor out Contagion maybe...

[Seravi Edalborez]

I wouldn't know how to begin mathing it out but is there any way to determine if, in a shorter fight with less Contagions, Ifrit would do better? Like if you can beat T8 in 7 minutes vs 11, is SMN+Ifrit (with MNK+WAR to buff him) stronger than SMN+Garuda?

Overall party composition might also need to be taken into account. If you had like MNK MNK BRD SMN with a WAR in there somewhere, I imagine Paeon is getting sung a lot more than Requiem. So you're missing the 10-20% boost to parts of 1/3rd of your total damage (Garuda). And yourself too so idk if that really makes a difference or if I'm looking at it stupidly.

There's also some weird shit on OF about starting with Garuda, put Raging Contagion dots up, Swiftcast Ifrit for his enkindle (for the rest of the fight?).

[The47thSen]

Why are the crystals so large on your UI???

Makes it easier to see the numbers. I'm on a small 23" monitor.
I usually hide them, but I forgot.

[The47thSen]

There's also some weird shit on OF about starting with Garuda, put Raging Contagion dots up, Swiftcast Ifrit for his enkindle (for the rest of the fight?).

Hasn't that been a thing for a while?
I've never bothered because I'm lazy.

[Taim Meich]

I was testing yesterday Ifrit vs Garuda, and Ifrit does by itself 20%-25% more damage than garuda on a dummy (120-125 dps vs 100 dps in my case), while my damage was lowered by 15-20 DPS for the lack of Contagion. It's a wash, I think with Garuda being better in fights where the target changes a lot and/or there's plenty of downtime for the extended DoTs to be better, and Ifrit better in mor static fights where the target doesn't change.

BTW, Dragon Kick boosted Ifrit's attacks, right? If so, I can see Ifrit being better more frequently.

[Grey Jorildyn]

His damage is slashing so Storm's Eye would enhance it.

[Lokus]

His damage is both slashing and blunt. And when I said comparable, I was including Contagion. SE doean't want to buff Ifrit to the point he's the goto pet like Garuda tends to be now as that solves nothing. At best, content, party make-up, and strategy should decide which pet is better.

[Seravi Edalborez]

His AA is slashing and his abilities are blunt. I don't know if that's intentional but it's what it is. I should add that to OP (and maybe update OP in general).

[BerenTebogo]

Hasn't that been a thing for a while?
I've never bothered because I'm lazy.

I have MP problems in long fights where I'm trying to keep my DPS very high. SC summoning a new pet is not something I'd be looking to do tbh.

For short zergs (< 1 minute) I use Ifrit exclusively. I suppose if there was something like a 2 minute zerg I'd RS dots with garuda then SC Ifrit because you wont have time to run out your MP. Longer than 3 minutes without MP breaks / ballad and I think it's probably not worth it.

[SamanosukeShiva]

could work for dungeons I guess, then resummon garuda at boss.