Summoner / Scholar sort-of in-depth

[Niiro]

I was testing yesterday Ifrit vs Garuda, and Ifrit does by itself 20%-25% more damage than garuda on a dummy (120-125 dps vs 100 dps in my case)

Were you comparing them on Obey or Sic?

[shukudai]

Just a relatively quick test on dummies for Ifrit and Garuda, both over 2m30sec. No Rouse, no Spur, nothing, just pet them both on Obey. Garuda got 88 DPS, Ifrit got 104. i106, Book of Spades.

[Taim Meich]

Were you comparing them on Obey or Sic?

Both on Obey, using Rouse, Spur and Enkindle.

[Seigfried]

I keep seeing stuff like this and I'm not sure what to make of it. Does Ifrit out preform Garuda when Contagion/positioning is not much of a factor (IE: low number of trash mobs, zerg rushes)?

[Lokus]

Is it just me or are pets even more unresponsive this patch? Already had several occurences where I'll use Eos' skills and she just ignores my command or I have to literally spam the fuck out of the keybind to get her to do something.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Can't say she feels any more unresponsive than usual but I do use those macros that make her spam stuff until it comes out so I might not be noticing.

[Seigfried]

Is it just me or are pets even more unresponsive this patch? Already had several occurences where I'll use Eos' skills and she just ignores my command or I have to literally spam the fuck out of the keybind to get her to do something.

Yes definitely, I keep hammering away at Contagion and nearly run out of time before it eventually goes off.

[Malekos]

Practically every time I try to use whispering dawn lately it fails to activate. I'll look down at my bar every now and then to see how the ability timers look and it's an immediate WTF...waiting there ready to be used while rouse is 1/2 way through its recast timer.

[Niiro]

Just noticed this myself as well.

[Pepinot]

Just noticed this myself as well.

There's a full reddit thread re: unresponsive pet actions--http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2a7n02/do_fairies_seem_less_responsive/
I've definitely noticed it with Eos. Had to spam my keybinds to get off Fey Illumination and or Whispering Dawn.

[Niiro]

The instant use skills don't seem to be as problematic, but getting her to cast Dawn is like pulling teeth...

I wonder if Heeling her before putting in the command would help (wipe her action queue clean so Dawn would be the only thing?) but that's not really a fix since it doesn't work if you need her Place'd somewhere.

[Seravi Edalborez]

You can accomplish the same thing by re-Place, Stay, or Heel. I tend to re-place, hit my spambutton for pet actions, she'll start up when she gets there (or right away if I placed on top of her). This is what I did pre-patch also since I found her to be unresponsive sometimes. So if it's any worse I haven't played on SCH enough since patch to notice.

[Spider-Dan]

Eos is completely broken right now. Whispering Dawn is damn near useless because you have to spend so much time babysitting its execution that you might as well just start healing everyone yourself.

I have also noticed significantly more lag on Lustrate. Normally, I see deaths during last-second Lustrate as the animation (and heal) being cast on me, but since the patch I have seen MANY Lustrate deaths with the animation on the target. This used to be super-rare (I can't even remember the last time seeing it pre-patch) and now it's very common.

[Neon_Sea]

Yup had to bind "f" key to contagion and MASH it for results :/

[Seravi Edalborez]

/micon "Fey Light" pet
/pac "Fey Light" <p>
/pac "Fey Illumination" <p>
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <p> <wait.1>
/pac "Fey Light" <p>
/pac "Fey Illumination" <p>
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <p> <wait.1>
/pac "Fey Light" <p>
/pac "Fey Illumination" <p>
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <p> <wait.1>
/pac "Fey Light" <p>
/pac "Fey Illumination" <p>
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <p>

/micon "Contagion" pet
/pac "Contagion" <t> <wait.1>
/pac "Contagion" <t> <wait.1>
...repeat for however many lines you desire
/pac "Contagion" <t>

Not to be a broken record but macros like this are what I've been using for awhile now and I've not noticed any difference from pre-patch (for good or ill).

[Yugl]

Having the same pet responsiveness as Seravi using the same concept for macros. Contagion was a smashfest prepatch if you didn't repeat the macro or use a stop cast.

[Niiro]

Pre-patch I never has issues with Contagion, she'd use it after her current action (or after the next if she was already "queuing" her next action when the order was given).

[Kaisha]

SCH feeling the same as usual, but I always did the aforementioned Place+Preload-skill method because Dawn's always been a problem for me. SMN though, last night, Garuda wouldn't bloody use Contagion or Slash until a good 4 GCDs after I started mashing.

Why can't they just make the pet AI auto-interupt anything they're doing when you hit a skill and proceed immediately to using/casting it?

[Taim Meich]

Pre-patch I never has issues with Contagion, she'd use it after her current action (or after the next if she was already "queuing" her next action when the order was given).

Exactly. I think what they did is removing the queing of pet actions. Before 2.3, just hitting Contagion once would queue the action, so if Garuda was beginning a Wind Blade, it would use it afterwards. Now, I think we have to mash a lot because Garuda (and other pets) will only acknowledge the order if they're in between actions, not doing anything.

To me, this is extremely frustrating, as I have to divert a significant amount of time in making sure Contagion is applied, and that's time I'm not casting other stuff.

[Crizto]

I only run SCH in easy content so now I've just resorted to putting it on Sic because of Dawn lol.

I however have always mashed Contagion like no tomorrow so I didn't notice it was acting wonky with Garuda as well.