Unlocked Empyrean WSs - Which will be good?

[Gannon]

I don't see the sacks for the die listed on those confluxes, but maybe the information is just incomplete. I'll give them a shot. Thanks

[Dew]

1-7 drop coin pouches, 8-11 drop die pouches, and 12-15 drop liminal pouches.

[Byrthnoth]

How low can you go on 8-11? I agree that Die are going to be the sticking point, as I already have 200 Residues (vs. 25 Die) and I started buying only last weekend.

[Fwahm]

1-7 drop coin pouches, 8-11 drop die pouches, and 12-15 drop liminal pouches.

I've gotten die pouches from 6.

[Trumpy]

With lack of metal plates since VW is rare these days, im afraid ill never get a empy past that level but id hate to build a empy all the way up to 99 to find i have to now make a woe to unlock the WS (unless it becomes super easier to build when they streamline that) and i have only seen unlocking WSes mentioned when coin weapons (WoE) were also mentioned. Also I wouldn't understand why Woe would unlock the WS and not a empy since empy's are definately more work/harder.

[Fwahm]

I wouldn't count Torcleaver out just yet. Compare their stats at 100 TP (with ele belt/gorget and TP bonus Moonshade earring):

Resolution: 4.75 ftp (5.25 with Mekira-oto +1 on corresponding day), -15% attack penalty, 100% STR mod
Torcleaver: 5.20 ftp (5.30 with Mekira-oto +1 on corresponding day), 0% attack penalty, 60% VIT mod

Since weapon damage and VIT on armor have increased so much, I wouldn't be surprised if Torcleaver was competitive or even superior in some situations.

Also, Torcleaver > Torcleaver = Light; Resolution can't close a level 3 SC with itself unless you have Scourge. If you're going to be using Senbaak instead of Ragnarok after the update, it would be useful for utility purposes.

Well, I did some messing with the spreadsheets, and I couldn't get Torcleaver closer than ~7% to Resolution in reasonable situations. So, it looks like my prediction of it beating Resolution in some situations was off. Oh well.

[scaevola]

The important thing with Fudo is Fudo > Fudo > Light and KI > Fudo > Light, meaning most of SAM's self-SC-related JAs arguably favor Fudo even in situations where Shoha does more damage.

[S N K]

How low can you go on 8-11? I agree that Die are going to be the sticking point, as I already have 200 Residues (vs. 25 Die) and I started buying only last weekend.

I've two-manned most of the lower fluxes. Case in point, I've already finished Gun, Great Axe, Katana, Hand to Hand, Sword, and Staff is almost done within about almost 3 weeks off and on farming those Fluxes. I've got a ton of Residue stored away and Dice I'm getting pretty quickly now that I've put more focus into getting them.

[Fwahm]

Red Mage can solo every flux but 15, but a number of the higher ones are exceptionally difficult and/or irritating.

[Prothescar]

How low can you go on 8-11? I agree that Die are going to be the sticking point, as I already have 200 Residues (vs. 25 Die) and I started buying only last weekend.

RUN can solo every single Flux except for Caturae with pretty much no issues. Just have to kite the Typhonean Rage harpy if you get hit by it.

[NynJa]

With lack of metal plates since VW is rare these days, im afraid ill never get a empy past that level but id hate to build a empy all the way up to 99 to find i have to now make a woe to unlock the WS (unless it becomes super easier to build when they streamline that) and i have only seen unlocking WSes mentioned when coin weapons (WoE) were also mentioned. Also I wouldn't understand why Woe would unlock the WS and not a empy since empy's are definately more work/harder.

As ive said before
Unless SE adjusts emp 95/99 item drop rate from VW or lowers item necessity, there wont be many emps pushing 99.

[dasva]

Maybe they will add it to mog gardens like they did Alexanderite... but at a like .5% chance every 2 days lol

[NynJa]

Take u 5 yrs hahaha

[Prothescar]

* Chant du Cygne will be the best physical sword WS hands down. Requiescat will still have its place.

For PLD and RDM maybe, but for BLU Requiescat will remain the best sword WS unless you're solo/lowman/other no~low buff situations or special circumstances where damage resistances/weaknesses come into play.

[dasva]

Here is hopeing they had the insught to throw in a magical WS update that brings base damage into play >.> .... Most likely not

To the OF!

[Ophannus]

* Chant du Cygne will be the best physical sword WS hands down. Requiescat will still have its place.
For PLD and RDM maybe, but for BLU Requiescat will remain the best sword WS unless you're solo/lowman/other no~low buff situations or special circumstances where damage resistances/weaknesses come into play.

CDC with an ilvl Almace is gonna be pretty intense though with that Aftermath.

Also wouldn't Reso still > Torcleaver anyway when Souleater is up? Also 1hit ws will still whiff entirely whereas if you whiff a few hits of Reso, it's still gonna do over 3k+

[dasva]

CDC with an ilvl Almace is gonna be pretty intense though with that Aftermath.

Also wouldn't Reso still > Torcleaver anyway when Souleater is up? Also 1hit ws will still whiff entirely whereas if you whiff a few hits of Reso, it's still gonna do over 3k+

It wont make cdc any better just give you a reason to use it and then using req in between. However if req ends up doing more dmg using ilvl relic with that would be better probably. Back when it was still relavent excal and almace were about on par with each other depending on the buffs etc. And ilvl mythic for sure would eat them all alive lol.

Averages will still average out though. So doesn't really matter if your dmgs are only in the extremes of hit or miss vs how many you miss

[Sechs]

As ive said before
Unless SE adjusts emp 95/99 item drop rate from VW or lowers item necessity, there wont be many emps pushing 99.

Doubt they will do anything other than small adjustments (like Alex from NNI etc).
Won't change much in the end.

As it stands now Empyreal weapons, or at least some of them, are an effort almost compareable to Mythic weapons, well at least the money part is equal/higher and with likely more scarcity of supplies.
Kinda funny when you think about it and when you see how far behind them Relics are hah xD

[Ophannus]

Relics are no hard to get anymore, theyre ridiculously cheap like 30-50mil now. Should they placate Relic holders by making relics on par with emps/mythics just because relics used to be hard to make(like 5 years ago?) They should make relics on par or a bit stronger than delve boss drops(maybe item level 120, slightly more DMG, a bit more combat skill, more acc/att, though some delve weapons's special ability will trump the modest boost that relics have in atk/acc/odd, such as Tsumaru's 25 STP which is a game changer.

[Darkmagi]

You still need to 99 them, and 30mil is not accurate.