Unlocked Empyrean WSs - Which will be good?

[Fwahm]

The relic I recently made would have costed about 110m to level 99 at current average currency/marrow prices, so 30-50m is WAY off, at least on my server.

[Darkmagi]

30mil is completely off on any server lol

[Damane]

Relics are no hard to get anymore, theyre ridiculously cheap like 30-50mil now. Should they placate Relic holders by making relics on par with emps/mythics just because relics used to be hard to make(like 5 years ago?) They should make relics on par or a bit stronger than delve boss drops(maybe item level 120, slightly more DMG, a bit more combat skill, more acc/att, though some delve weapons's special ability will trump the modest boost that relics have in atk/acc/odd, such as Tsumaru's 25 STP which is a game changer.

I am sorry in what fairytale land does a relic cost 30-50mil to get it from 0 to lvl 99? because the lvl 95-99 part alone costs 50 mil on my server ¬.¬

[Byrthnoth]

Relic 75-99 costs about 80mil on Lakshmi right now.

[dasva]

Yeah prices seem to be going back up. A month ago I found 5 mil marrows semi often and most around 7.5 now more like 8-10 mil and currency has gone up some too but even before is was more like 80mil. Seriously how do you make one for 30mil? 1K currency and 3 mil marrows?

[Sechs]

Relics are no hard to get anymore

Which is exactely what I said, sorry if I worded it wrong or something.
I said that I find it funny how incredibly easier relics are to make, compared to Empys which usually are seen as the "lolabyssea relics".
Empies are not that far behind Mythics in terms of "difficulty" (altough I guess there's a certain degree of subjectivity) whereas relics... I mean on my server currency 1 month ago was 4k/coin. It went up again, but still it was pretty ridiculous.

[Darkmagi]

99Mythic>99Empyrean(Though not that much in the cost department anymore)>>>>99relic. 3 times the cost, forced prequests, and all of the time sink involved is significantly more "difficult" than a relic.

[Byrthnoth]

Eh, Mythics are about 400mil on Lakshmi, Cinder Empyreans are 270mil, Dross Empyreans are 180mil, and Relics are 80mil. For us, even the hard Empyreans still aren't in any danger of catching Mythics.

[Darkmagi]

Well on my server it's more like 300m vs 270m for cinder empyreans. (could be higher for both if you didn't want to wait for cheaper stuff)

[dasva]

My server costs don't matter you aren't going to find enough dross/cinder. I know so many people that constantly looking but stuck on that or hmp stage

[NynJa]

My server costs don't matter you aren't going to find enough dross/cinder. I know so many people that constantly looking but stuck on that or hmp stage

This
Carby has 71 HMP's (60 are bazaared at 200k), 1 cinder (3.5m) and 0 dross.

Whats the next solution? Spend real money server hopping everywhere?

[Byrthnoth]

Lakshmi has 88 HMPs (67 of which are 200k, 21 are 90k) and 5 Heavy Metal Pouches (950k each). We have 60 Riftdross at 500k each and 6 Riftcinders for 2.5mil or less. We still have Morta and/or Uptala runs pretty much every day. I bet that if I had the gil and just set about buying HMPs, I could get 1500 for 100k or less in under a month.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Whats the next solution? Spend real money server hopping everywhere?

You would have to do the same for alex as well. Around here there's not nearly enough to fund a mythic. I dont understand why they made relics so much more accessible over the years while making mythics and empyerians so much harder.
You can solo farm a relic in a month or two, would be nice if they did the same for the other weapons.

Its not like it requires a recoding of the game. Just add drops to a solo'able event where you can farm it up in a reasonable time.

[Sechs]

Eh, Mythics are about 400mil on Lakshmi, Cinder Empyreans are 270mil, Dross Empyreans are 180mil, and Relics are 80mil. For us, even the hard Empyreans still aren't in any danger of catching Mythics.

Really? Plates here rotate between 75k and 85k and Cinders are around 3 mils.
Alex 10k I think? While Alex isn't exactely common it's easier to find than Cinders. You'd have big troubles finding 60 even if you had the gil.
I think our situation is pretty similar to Dasva's server, good luck finding 60 cinders.

Well you could always organize your own shouts, but you folks got what I meant.
The situation for HMPs isn't much better, some days you won't find any for sale. Altough tbh Alex one isn't golden either, but it seems to me it's better than HMPs as far as "availability" is concerned (or am I biased?)

[Sechs]

I dont understand why they made relics so much more accessible over the years

While they clearly intended to make relics easier over the years I'm pretty confident they totally did NOT mean to do it to this extent.
It's been a side effect of wrong choices on their side and they've been too late to notice it and people were kinda liking it so at that point it would have been impossible for them to revert it.
They tried to slow it down with Marrows but it didn't work very well.

I don't think they want to do the same "mistake" with Mythics and Empies, and that's why they've been so cautious about them so far.
If they truly end up being slightly worse/on par to Delve weapons (and their successor) I think it could be a good time to ease up their requirements though, even to give people something other than SoA to do with their time and complete long forgotten achievements.

[Fwahm]

Riftcinders aren't THAT bad if you have the gil. If you organize a Morta shout with 18 people for 12 kills (people still join Morta shouts, at least on my server), and you offer to buy any Riftcinders on the spot, that's an average of ~8.5 Riftcinders per run (~13 if you go for 18 kills). It'll be a little smaller due to people joining that don't want to sell, but it's not that bad if you organize runs.

Heavy Metal Plates are far worse.

[Sechs]

that's an average of ~8.5 Riftcinders per run

That looks VERY optimistic.
Either my server has broken rates, or I bring bad luck to my alliances, or something else.
Aside from the fact I never got a SINGLE cinder, ever, in all of my VW runs (specifically for Morta, over 300 kills) on our last 18 kills we got as a whole ONE cinder.
Of course people could be lying etc altough I don't really see the point in doing it, it wasn't a PUG.

Speaking of which, Morta pugs aren't THAT common over here, but I wouldn't call them particularly rare either. You have people joining, but it takes a while and most of the time you go with an incomplete alliance because after 2 hrs of shouting you get pissed.

[dasva]

Yeah only vw shouts I see much anymore are for mura. While alex supply is also not great you do have the painful option of farming it yourself

[Byrthnoth]

Last I checked, Morta was about 5% on cinder. That means you average about 1 per alliance kill. That is how I finished Daurb. Delve boss weapons should only have made the Morta requirements less stringent since then.

[Ophannus]

In related news I heard they either or already have made Relic weapons in FF14 easier to obtain. I don't see why they'd so something similar for emp/myth for FFXI. Honestly, these weapons should be something that can be obtained by anyone in less than 6 months at this stage of FFXI's life. Mythic requirements are ridiculous, Empy requirements are obnoxious.

They need to up Alex drop rates, change single metals to pouches and different tiers of metal pouches i.e linen, cotton. Nothing in this game should require thousands of anything.