Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Toth]

I really don't care if they add a solo-able 119 weapon or not (technically Relics are that), but it's a pretty silly thing to complain about if you're going to bother playing an online game.

Especially since the i119 delve weapons are much easier to obtain (just join a shout group for the tier you need) and max out.

[Kincard]

Actually now that you mention it, it is pretty funny that that complaint is from the JP forums when they have regular competent PUGs almost every night while there's fuck all English PUGs, let alone competent ones, even on weekends.

[dasva]

That note on jug pets seems odd... because without relic hands the jugs will still be called with a random range 0-2 levels lower than your level or main hand ilvl... and even if they were meaning it wont be some big whole ilvl range well jugs have never worked that way to begin with

[Kincard]

The post says that the pet is simply the same level as your main hand, so if you're wearing a 119 weapon the pet will be 119, no random range. I don't know if it's an error since I don't play BST, but I imagine if it is they'll follow up on it tomorrow or something.

[Draylo]

It's people who have 1 hour a week to play and they are playing an MMO. They wanted everything handed to them and don't give two fucks about the life of the game.

[Trigun]

Any word on Straw Hat? I remember reading something about update to coalitions.

edit:
Yes I do like the trivial items alot.

[Sechs]

we don't want to make it so that you can simply spend gil and suddenly become very powerful.

Then why the fuck the expensive materials for EVERYTHING?
-.-

[CoreyX]

I really don't care if they add a solo-able 119 weapon or not (technically Relics are that), but it's a pretty silly thing to complain about if you're going to bother playing an online game.

You still need a delve boss win to upgrade a relic to 119

[NynJa]

You still need a delve boss win to upgrade a relic to 119

No you need ONE of the following
-a delve boss win
-clear a SKC20 fight on difficult
-clear a high tier battlefield fight on Normal

There is no reason to not be able to get one of these.

[Sechs]

The post says that the pet is simply the same level as your main hand, so if you're wearing a 119 weapon the pet will be 119, no random range. I don't know if it's an error since I don't play BST, but I imagine if it is they'll follow up on it tomorrow or something.

I thought Main Weapon gave a "Roof" of that ilevel, but you had to "fill" that gap through Beast Affinity merits (if the pet didn't already cap that high) and thought the 0-2 levels difference without AF2 gloves was still active.
Very odd...
I think it's either a misinterpretation or a mistake on their side, doubt they ninjachanged that stuff without any of us noticing.

[dasva]

The post says that the pet is simply the same level as your main hand, so if you're wearing a 119 weapon the pet will be 119, no random range. I don't know if it's an error since I don't play BST, but I imagine if it is they'll follow up on it tomorrow or something.

That's what I mean there is a random range just like there has always been of 0-2 or 0-1 or just no 0 levels lower than your ilvl. Which interestingly enough stays even with changing weapons. Ie you call beast with a ilvl 119 axe without relic gloves and it rolls -2 levels and comes out at 117 then you switch to a 117 weapon it will be 115

I thought Main Weapon gave a "Roof" of that ilevel, but you had to "fill" that gap through Beast Affinity merits (if the pet didn't already cap that high) and thought the 0-2 levels difference without AF2 gloves was still active.
Very odd...
I think it's either a misinterpretation or a mistake on their side, doubt they ninjachanged that stuff without any of us noticing.

main hand weapon is basically just replacing the level portion of call beast. When you use call beast it will use your level (mainhand ilvl) then compare that to the jugs cap which is modified by BA. It's takes the lower of the 2 then they come out 0-2 without relic 0-1 with relic and 0 with relic+1-2 and reforged levels lower.

That's why I'm confused about the statement unless they ninjad it like you said and then changed it back... but seeing as that's how it worked when I went around testing levels and stats of new pets I doubt it since that was how it still worked back in feb

[dasva]

No you need ONE of the following
-a delve boss win
-clear a SKC20 fight on difficult
-clear a high tier battlefield fight on Normal

There is no reason to not be able to get one of these.

Yeah I mean I with no plugins can tribox difficult SKC20 and probably some high tier battlefield

[NynJa]

Not sure if sarcasm, but it is a MMO, join a shout group if you're that intent on it. Normal AA fights are not difficult by any stretch of imagination.

[dasva]

I was just saying it's that easy to the point where kinda gimp triboxing could do it you could definitely do it with 3 and probably with 2. And well if you can't find 1 person to do 1 fight with you yeah...

[arus2001]

No you need ONE of the following
-a delve boss win
-clear a SKC20 fight on difficult
-clear a high tier battlefield fight on Normal

There is no reason to not be able to get one of these.

Isn't there the 150 item turn in aspect, too? That strikes me as the more aggravating aspect of it as you can be assured the power gamers will be manipulating that economy and keeping it harder for the more average player to get into the scene.

Or we could just subscribe to Draylo's BS about casuals wanting shit handed to them when it's far more likely they want reasonable effort that can't be cockblocked by others to yield reasonable reward. And seeing dickhead comments like that doesn't surprise me at all to know people want to play alone on an online game (Hint: Doesn't mean you're not talking to others and/or being a non-contributor to the world/economy). I'm certainly not keen on rewarding jerks or being a means to their end because there's no other choice but to jump through their little hoops of ho hum time sink... er, longevity.

[Damane]

QQing about not being able to get one of those new 119 weapons:
Seriously the requirements arent that brutal, and you only need ONE of the following, not ALL of the following. The "I want to play solo" whining, bitch go play a fuckin offline game then if you have no friends.

werent you just lately bitchign because of alliance requirements for delve ¬.¬?

[NynJa]

Shouldnt have been tossing those Beitetsu or Rift Boulders then. Most servers you can still find a bunch for well under 10k each. Even at 10k, if 1.5m is "way out of your price range", then you shouldnt be bitching anyways. Its gonna be pretty difficult to skew the price of something so readily available.

werent you just lately bitchign because of alliance requirements for delve ¬.¬?

I said my LS had dissolved down to 6 people, NOT "I dont have a LS because I'm a fucking loner". Are you seriously comparing the two?

[Damane]

Shouldnt have been tossing those Beitetsu or Rift Boulders then. Most servers you can still find a bunch for well under 10k each. Even at 10k, if 1.5m is "way out of your price range", then you shouldnt be bitching anyways. Its gonna be pretty difficult to skew the price of something so readily available.



I said my LS had dissolved down to 6 people, NOT "I dont have a LS because I'm a fucking loner". Are you seriously comparing the two?

and if delve would still be ally content you would still be bitching because it requires too many people, just as it requires for some too many people to 6 man the new delve, which I am not supporting, because there needs to be some party content, but i wouldnt judge the crying of those peoples, because it is understandable, especially since all 6 people need to be on point for delve.
My LS went down from 18+ to ~ 8 peoples last october and is now at 5~6 people (usually less due to RL thing of some members), I am not bitching about the requirements (since I have them cleared), but I can understand people, that it can be frustrateing to gather 6 competent players.

Considering the current population on some servers (and on every server for EUs), its quite hard to get 6 competent players in one group for delve (the key word is competent). So bitching for the requirement is understandable, especially since it cuts out players that play casually.
And the more time passes by the harder it is for people to get a or all 3 wins from teh new delve, because frankly spamming delve 1.0 for plasm is that much fuckign easier.

[NynJa]

and if delve would still be ally content you would still be bitching because it requires too many people, just as it requires for some too many people to 6 man the new delve, which I am not supporting, because there needs to be some party content, but i wouldnt judge the crying of those peoples, because it is understandable, especially since all 6 people need to be on point for delve.
My LS went down from 18+ to ~ 8 peoples last october and is now at 5~6 people (usually less due to RL thing of some members), I am not bitching about the requirements (since I have them cleared), but I can understand people, that it can be frustrateing to gather 6 competent players.

Considering the current population on some servers (and on every server for EUs), its quite hard to get 6 competent players in one group for delve (the key word is competent). So bitching for the requirement is understandable, especially since it cuts out players that play casually.
And the more time passes by the harder it is for people to get a or all 3 wins from teh new delve, because frankly spamming delve 1.0 for plasm is that much fuckign easier.

Ok, read this again

No you need ONE of the following
-a delve boss win
-clear a SKC20 fight on difficult
-clear a high tier battlefield fight on Normal

There is no reason to not be able to get one of these.

You dont need to clear any delve to get these weapons.

I repeat
Delve is not a sole requirement to obtain any of these weapons.

I repeat
You do not need to have a Delve clear to obtain any of these weapons.

In fact, its very possible to get one without ever having doing any Delve.
In fact, you should be able to get one without even having the expansion. (SKC's drop off any lv100+ mob, so they are farmable outside of Adoulin, old BC zones dont require Adoulin, and Oboro is situated in jeuno)

Quit referring to Delve's alliance/party/circlejerk content, because it is NOT a cockblock in this case. I have, as has Dasva, 3boxed certain AA's on Normal, and have cleared SKC20 gigas and yagudo on difficult. There is no reason at all that someone can not join a shout group for either of the two previous events. The skill and gear requirement to beat the aforementioned two events is NOT that high with a group of 6.

Dwindling population is one thing, and it will hurt alliance content, but its a fucking MMO, the second M stands for MULTIPLAYER.

[Hitou]

Honestly I expected people to complain about the price-gouged weapons, claw/pelt than the expected battle win to get anything from Oboro. I could understand if you needed delve win for it, since for some reason most pick ups can't seem to handle it, but there's 2 easier options. I had a SKC 20 win for my relic long before I ever got a Tojil win because that's just how bad NA pick ups are these days I guess. I'm sure prices will start to go down again once the people that gotta have it day 1 are done with these weapons. But for now I think rank 15 on one of the new delve weapons is a better investment of that gil. Besides harp for brd that is.