Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Kohan]

For starters: I absolutely fucking love their recent promo videos (like the one dasva posted), but I love them because they're horrifically awful. They're so Goddamn terrible, they're hilarious.

Getting serious, though, that's the problem: they're funny to us, because we're familiar with the product, but they're embarrassing to practically anyone else.

I'll comment on this topic more, but it will have to wait.

EDIT: The graphics being outdated doesn't mean they can't market, and this boils down to the core notion of FFXI's age not being an eliminating factor. (Again: it doesn't matter for EQ; it doesn't matter for WoW [because what's coming in Draenor didn't for years, and plenty of people thought it never would]; it doesn't matter for untouched retro games, and so on.)

If a company has a product that they can't sell, it's not the product's fault: they are terrible at public relations and promotion. While the old saying supposes that you "can't polish a turd," it's wrong, because you sure as hell can. You can wow people with it, you can convince them it's something it's not, and you can make them want it. It helps, however, if the product isn't a steaming pile. That makes marketing's job easier.

When you do what Square has done, though—have developers and community teams with zero designing skill set up the cheapest, most humiliating, and entirely half-assed marketing videos—you've demonstrated that you're not doing your homework, you're not investing in your product, and you don't know dick about selling. I really don't think that anyone should be surprised, as even Square Enix's serious business trailers are generally formulaic and uninspiring, and this is all related to a problem that they've had for ages—namely, believing that anything their company produces will automatically sell, because they are who they are, and that's that—but they're no fucking Coca-Cola, and even Coke continues to advertise.

There's no good reason for Square not to push their wares. It's professionally inexcusable.

[Damane]

well guess it pays off getting all coal ranks maxed, the vajayjay sword is being finally released!

[Draylo]

ughhhh lol, I knew it

[Damane]

ughhhh lol, I knew it

Legend is the current max rank, they said they will introduce next update another rank. I am kind of confused tough, is the other rank just for sigil (area bonuses) or is it now really a new rank for all coalitions and the mythic description was a typo?

[Malithar]

Pretty sure the new rank is just a new edification rank, as the teaser pic showed a coalition with chimneys. Guessing Legend will remain the max, and we won't get any new assignments, just a new service and Ionis buff from each coalition. Hope some of em are useful or unique.

Any guesses on new services?

Guessing..

Pioneers: +2 tools
Couriers: Faster/SoA wide movement speed buff
Inventors: Unique slot +1 crafting skill gear
Mummers: Another dumb game + hopefully some cosmetic gear for rewards, and not something needed for Ergon weapons
Peacekeepers: New Bayld gear they mentioned, ilvl 115ish
Scouts: Mob intelligence from the library, weaknesses, triggers for NMs, etc

[Tarage]

Guess they won't be touching Alex.

Makes me wonder what the quest will involve. Yeah ranking up is time consuming, but I'm not seeing the crazy gil cost yet.

[Kincard]

To be honest I was kinda hoping lore-wise they'd keep the RUN and GEO mythics still a Balrahn weapon, just with a different way of obtaining it. The lore was written so that more weapons could be revealed in the future, but I guess it wouldn't be a good idea gameplay-wise to have a job introduced in Adoulin have their ultimate weapon require access to TOAU, even if it's just "talk to this guy to find out about them" (even though DNC and SCH did).

[Hitou]

Legend is max personal rank, at least according to the original dats. If they chose to add more they always can. I think there's 2 more edification ranks including the 1 we're getting next update, or maybe next one is last.

[Treize Kordero]

Well only Legend in the Pioneer's Coalition got a long way to go until I max them all out... XD

[Ophannus]

Nothing so far equates to Alexandrites so I venture that they'll have to be some tangible item that they'll ask for 30,000+ of and I bet it will be Beitetsu/Rifworn Boulder/Plutons. Those drop from Battlefields/Reives etc and come in S/M/L pouches, just be glad that they will inevitably be cheaper than Alexandrites due to how saturated the market is and how few serious RUN and GEO there are. If they introduced Ergon weapons for all jobs, it would be a different story(and truth be told, they may, as there was art work released of new 'ultimate weapons' for SoA and so far they have not been released)

All Delve Wins = Chariot/Odin Titles
All Legend Rank= Captain Rank
Mummer Medal KI= Eyepatch
99,000 Obsidian Frag KI= Nyzul Token Book
All Skirmish Titles from 5/5/5
Potentially redo all Coalitions with/a journal(time sink)
40,000 Beitetsu/Riftworn or Plutons(Money Sink)

I think 40,000 is fair considering that they drop from multiple events and that alexandrites come from timed instanced dungeon crawls which can only be done limited times per day whereas BFs that drop Plutons/Beitetsu/Boulders can be done limitless times(merits pending) and drop individually to all participants.

[Ibisariot]

Neat, I was bored enough to get all tasks/Legend rank done months ago. =P Guessing we may need to visit some/all of the Ergon Loci around Ulbuka, given the name. Would be one way of getting people out to the lesser-traveled parts of these zones, at least.

[Malithar]

idk about 40,000, that's 600 mil by current prices of Beits/Boulders. Nevermind that that'd directly mess with JS weapons and 119ing other RMEs. My money's on something from bayld that costs a decent amount that you'll need to amass thousands of.

[Sechs]

Totally gonna be Ergon Loci related!

[Ophannus]

Given that run and geo are underplayed and mythics don't make a job, the mats might be hard to obtain unless some of them come from instances that drop items for other jobs.

I think they'll release ergon weapons for all jobs eventually give the art work showed still-unreleased, unique model dagger, sword and polearm. (Though they had wing/star motifs, could be dropped by that last Naakual or something) wish I could pull up the screenshot from that JP video.


I cant think of many soa mats that are on the same plane as Alex's. Right off the bat getting max coalition rank is far, far easier than getting max assault rank. I've been storing imps on previously finished assignments so I can pull them out for free imps when the time comes, people that have been saving imps since last year probably got legend in all coalitions around November/December. It's very easily done and all assignments are painfully easy to solo. I'm actually very very surprised they never added assault-style bcnm coalition assignments that require 3-6 people to do, like the campaign op fights that required a tag to enter. I cant think of any assignment that I needed more than 1 person to do save for reives in outer/kamhir but with trusts these are also soloable.

Content is just too easy so far compared to toau mythic building which required a huge amount of coordination and time to get ampoules, nm titles, Alex's. All of those took a huge amount of cooperation. Bayld is a joke, you can get like 20-30k from doing Fourier coalition runs which can be done every 90 seconds using home point warp and movement speed. The only cockblock would be the hard currency crap which so far looks like either the RME upgrade rocks or REM's tales. If they make these weapons easier than mythics then they ought to cut the currencies required for mythic drastically.

[Ophannus]

There's nothing on the scale of znms or beastmen king titles unless they ask for delve clears which for most hardcore players is a freakin breeze. If building these weapons is anything like making RUN and GEO relic armor, gonna just be "bring me a wyrm blood, one of each delve boss synth mat, 500k bayld and all delve/skirmish titles"

[errantfish]

Any guesses on new services?
Pioneers: +2 tools
Couriers: Faster/SoA wide movement speed buff
Inventors: Unique slot +1 crafting skill gear
Mummers: Another dumb game + hopefully some cosmetic gear for rewards, and not something needed for Ergon weapons
Peacekeepers: New Bayld gear they mentioned, ilvl 115ish
Scouts: Mob intelligence from the library, weaknesses, triggers for NMs, etc

Pioneers this time should be the last two levels of mog garden upgrades that have been in the dats forever.

[Kyte]

Given that run and geo are underplayed and mythics don't make a job

lol, you're a DRG and you say that

[dasva]

Totally gonna be Ergon Loci related!

Level up each ergon loci to max rank, obtain tincture from it and use said tincture while loci is at max rank. Then examine each loci once for each tincture while it's buff is up....

[Dotsudoku]

I still wouldn't be so quick to assume that these will literally be mythic weapons. My money's on the "mythic" moniker just being a fancy way of saying "job specific"

[dasva]

Content is just too easy so far compared to toau mythic building which required a huge amount of coordination and time to get ampoules, nm titles, Alex's. All of those took a huge amount of cooperation. Bayld is a joke, you can get like 20-30k from doing Fourier coalition runs which can be done every 90 seconds using home point warp and movement speed. The only cockblock would be the hard currency crap which so far looks like either the RME upgrade rocks or REM's tales. If they make these weapons easier than mythics then they ought to cut the currencies required for mythic drastically.

While true a lot of your comparisons are to ergon weapons now to mythics at 75. Outisde of that stupid mining assualt all of mythic is soloable now. Also couriers changed a couple updates ago. You only get like 11k from kahmir... but you can now warp right to the bivs. Though I don't think anyone would believe that if they did use bayld it would be anything less than 10s of millions?