Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Dotsudoku]

I like alliance content for the sociability; it reminds me why I'm playing a MMO.

I hate alliance content because we end up injecting a myriad of offensive and support mage jobs that are entirely unnecessary, and they ultimately (and sometimes significantly) hinder productivity.

[Hitou]

I don't mind alliance content really but I don't know 17 other people to do said content with anymore. Hard enough finding 6 people for anything let alone trying to shout for 18 man stuff.

[ccl]

I hope they add both 18 man and 6 man stuff but first I hope they merge server or add something really big to make people actually log on and play

[Malithar]

Update hitting on June 17th at 1 AM EST. Awkward, but being on third shift, I'm happy lol.

[Seha]

I think alliance content is very fun, but at least for me playing in the dreaded EU timezone makes grouping for it extremely hard. I'm happy with more party content, gone are they days when I'd stick around till dawn to play with us linkshells!

[ccl]

Someone somewhere should make an EU ls and gather all eu bg folks still playing XI on it!

[Sechs]

Someone somewhere should make an EU ls and gather all eu bg folks still playing XI on it!

Sign me up and invite me plz <3

[JSHidaka]

Update hitting on June 17th at 1 AM EST. Awkward, but being on third shift, I'm happy lol.

Wondering why SE moved to JP "prime" time(1pm in Japan or so) to, do updates... but well doesn't bother me lol

[Damane]

Someone somewhere should make an EU ls and gather all eu bg folks still playing XI on it!

there are some EU LS around that do stuff, they just arent big, or dont recruit activ (the one I am in for example)

[Draylo]

I don't see why people like 18 man content. Maybe it allows more variety with jobs, but trying to get 18 people on the same page has always been horrible. I've done enough DM runs where one RNG will screw up, pull hate, and wipe everyone else and ruin the run to know that it's a lot easier to get 6 competent people than 18. The days of huge link shell events are over, and I for one am glad. I think you have rose tinted glasses.

Or maybe some people actually enjoy alliance events? Its an mmo after all.

[Sechs]

Doesn't even have to be full 18 people (altough clearly the more the better), but you know something's wrong when the game doesn't even try to stimulate or promote alliance play but the other way around (check delve for instance: it's harder, you get less drops per people, etc).
I love doing lowmen stuff, it's just that I'd love to be able to do bigger stuff as well and atm the game doesn't really offer/incentivate anything and with each new announcement they're making the situation worse, like for instance DM.

I mean, it's understandable and DM is quite old already so it's coherent with their approach of slowly making stuff more accessible.
But still... meh, I'll cut it here, I'm sure you got what I meant.

[FNH]

I don't see why people like 18 man content. Maybe it allows more variety with jobs, but trying to get 18 people on the same page has always been horrible. I've done enough DM runs where one RNG will screw up, pull hate, and wipe everyone else and ruin the run to know that it's a lot easier to get 6 competent people than 18. The days of huge link shell events are over, and I for one am glad. I think you have rose tinted glasses.

It is more sociable, and it isn't good for an LS when content devolves into lowman only situations. The game needs more alliance based content, with alliance specific rewards. Silly to be penalized on some of the content for being able to field 18 members.

[NynJa]

It is more sociable, and it isn't good for an LS when content devolves into lowman only situations. The game needs more alliance based content, with alliance specific rewards. Silly to be penalized on some of the content for being able to field 18 members.

Punishing people for having their friends quit the game is a big no-no. Adjusted reward pool's for having more people: sure, no one will complain about that. But saying "you cant get this item because you dont know 17 other competant players" is a big fuck you to the majority (and yes, it is the majority who is incapable of constantly fielding 18 people)

will drop on VE too probably

Have you done VE battlefields, or are you just basing this on the 0.1% chance that you get a drop on VE? Because, it really is that low on VE. Okay, maybe not that low, but its definately in the 1% range, to get SOMETHING.

[Ophannus]

Alliance content is only fun if players are awarded credit/poins to purchase any of the drops. Because it sucks doing an 18 man event and one person gets the omfg drop i.e Legion with a LS where only the leader/sackholders ever get a Duplus Grip and then the next Duplus Grips that drop goto the "LS bank" which is pretty much a neologism for disappearing off the face of the earth. Delve got it right, get KI, save plasm, get awesome gear. Should move forward with that model for all 18-man events in the future.

[ccl]

Legion was fine since you could spam it, if we want content that will stay, we either need a legion kind of event with point for other items than the best drop, or a delve with a time restriction on it; the ability to spam+getting point killed delve too fast and killed most (all?) hardcore LS.

Also point system like delve isn't cool cause it make people spam the easiest zone; hell legion was kinda perfect for me, the better/more people you had, the more reward you'd get and I had no issue spamming it for a year, delve I lasted like 1-2 months for my ls; delve died after we cleared each zone 1 time kinda.

[Damane]

Legion was fine since you could spam it, if we want content that will stay, we either need a legion kind of event with point for other items than the best drop, or a delve with a time restriction on it; the ability to spam+getting point killed delve too fast and killed most (all?) hardcore LS.

Also point system like delve isn't cool cause it make people spam the easiest zone; hell legion was kinda perfect for me, the better/more people you had, the more reward you'd get and I had no issue spamming it for a year, delve I lasted like 1-2 months for my ls; delve died after we cleared each zone 1 time kinda.

actually delve brought LSs back again... I like the concept of delve. no drama no nothing, go in, do your stuff, end of discussion. Legion had so much drop drama over duplus grip and various other stuff ¬.¬. Legion would have been nice if it would have offered the same point system as delve, but it did not.

We still do delve and we dont do the easiest zones, we go random for what flavour feels us atm and who is on (some key people needed for newer delve zones). but alliance content is dead, if at all they should do alliance content like they did with delve (but maybe with a tad more rewards for a full ally or 12 people).

DM II was a horrible alliance content, just because of the entry restriction with merit points. meaning if you actualyl FINALLY managed to get 18 people together you could do 1 run tops ¬.¬

[Draylo]

It's dead because they barely have anything alliance based, not because you or some anti-social people can't find or create a group. Divine Might had a good system where you still got rewards aside from the direct drops. Delve was good but they gave you things way too fast so it was very easy to cap and be bored.

[ccl]

actually delve brought LSs back again... I like the concept of delve. no drama no nothing, go in, do your stuff, end of discussion. Legion had so much drop drama over duplus grip and various other stuff ¬.¬.

We had 0 legion drama, just need decent lotting rule, delve brought back LS again for 2 months ? Legion+VW lasted a year; don't get me wrong I liked the delve idea/original fight finding, but the whole ally capping drop in about 10-20 run on an event you can spam is very bad for the longevity of the event in an mmo.

Legion idea of the better you are the more mob you can kill and then get more drop is awesome, it encourage bringing more people, force people to focus; I still think delve wpn should have been very low % and not point buyable since they were the most wanted item back then.

[Ophannus]

If they let us buy Hall of Mul items for like 20k-30k legion points it would have been better content. Legion became quite hard after Embrava and PD nerf if you didn't have Kraken/RagnaDRKs. :/

[ccl]

If they let us buy Hall of Mul items for like 20k-30k legion points it would have been better content. Legion became quite hard after Embrava and PD nerf if you didn't have Kraken/RagnaDRKs. :/

PD was never the best way for legion we never used it, we cleared 18+ almost every run after embrava nerf.