Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Sechs]

Wow these WS boosts are fucking immense, way more than I expected

^ this.
Are we sure we can trust these numbers and we're not jumping to hasty conclusions?
What they wrote as 80% with their way of calculating WS damage could correspond to a different number with our formulae.
I remember a similar situation in the description of Merit WS.

Some of the old WS with special effects (ignore defense etc) which weren't used for obvious reasons, now might get situationally interesting again.
Or for instance use a WS with an accuracy bonus TP modifier instead of your normal WS in situations where you need acc, etc.
Kinda sad they didn't remove the attack penalty on Blade: Shun
Wonder how Blade: Ku will perform now compared to the currently best options: Blade: Hi and Blade: Shun.
In the small tests I did with these 2 WSs, the former is better in almost every situation (but not all), granted that it's a small difference with 5/5.
Hi has a lot of fluctuation (high/low) in damage though, whereas Shun produces more similar/stable numbers.

Am I wrong in saying many of the merit WS are now even more unnecessary?

What's happening to the old YGK ws of Sam? G becoming useful again?

[ccl]

80% str fudo might give me a reason to use it with am3 up! Also we just found out run mythic ws mod is dex

[Kincard]

After thinking about this, I do think that they really do actually mean "attack" though. There has always been a weird rumor that Exenterator had a weak attack boost, but no one could every verify it conclusively. It would make sense if the weak attack boost was something like +50% attack on the first hit, which would have been pretty difficult to test. Now they're noting that they're increasing it to +100% attack. That's a pretty interesting boost that works well with THF's JAs.

I wrote a guide to interpreting this post here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post511135

It's possible, "2倍撃" (literally translated more as "Double-Hit") has been used for WS in one of 3 cases:
1. x-tuple damage
2. Doubled attack
3. Twofold Attack
Most fall into the first category. The second category consists of one WS (Viper Bite).

They specifically say, "初段のダメージのみ2倍撃", which is, "First Hit's Damage Only: Double-Hit", though, so I think it's actually damage.

[Prothescar]

Was thinking it just means it's going to function like Viper Bite, doubled attack for the first hit.

[ccl]

So now I'm going to wonder what kind of content we'll get for getting that much stronger!

[Seha]

Skirmish 4 ofc.

[Byrthnoth]

Well, you have to remember that SE is also supposed to be changing TP gain equations this update. Individual WS damage might have gone up, but it's unclear that our DPS will rise.

[Martel]

God damnit.. nothing for drakes at all. ; ; Could at least remove the freaking atk penalty SE!

[arus2001]

Figures I had to be sleeping during the alliance content babble.

Anyway, excited to see how the WS stuff pans out once it's deployed.

[Classikmage]

Mercy Stroke just got straight buffed, 60% STR -> 80% STR. o.O But what's this note on Exenterator? Twofold attack for the first stage only Does that mean it's it's only going to be a 2-hit WS after the update, instead of 4?

I may wanna pick up Rudra's Storm as well and play with it vs Evisceration too. 80% DEX mod sounds kinda tasty.

[Seha]

What they wrote as 80% with their way of calculating WS damage could correspond to a different number with our formulae.
I remember a similar situation in the description of Merit WS.

I forgot about this, does he have a point?

[Byrthnoth]

I forgot about this, does he have a point?

No. It doesn't look like SE is including Alpha in these calculations.

[fantasticdan]

The potency of the following weapons skills will now increase depending on players' levels and main hand weapon item levels.

Gust Slash / Cyclone / Energy Steal / Energy Drain / Aeolian Edge / Burning Blade / Red Lotus Blade / Shining Blade / Seraph Blade / Sanguine Blade / Uriel Blade / Frostbite / Freezebite...

Incoming unlockable campaign WS? Or was it updated just for the sake of that trust?

[Viar]

Dat Leaden Salute...very happy about the magic ws boost.

Wildfire is still 60%

[Seha]

It's fine really, it already does decent damage in Delve and still gets the ilvl boost now.

[Classikmage]

Incoming unlockable campaign WS? Or was it updated just for the sake of that trust?

iirc can't we use Uriel Blade as well, abeit only with one specific shitty campaign weapon equipped, but we can still use it.

[Ophannus]

Some of the weapon skills which didn't receive a bonus may have had their attack penalties removed. Penta thrust and Drakesbane attribute modifiers were untouched which is suspicious, not sure if other attack penalty mod ws were untouched too but seems suspect. Relic ws modifiers look acceptable now as most of them are affected by a job's secondary/alternative stat like Dex or Vit(except War and Sam which get fucking str)

[Balb]

So no more Camlann's Disappointment? :D

[Ophannus]

60% str and vit will make it pretty fucking good when Unbuffed. The fact that it ignores some defense(fancy way of saying attack boost) means it might overtake stardiver when you're solo or songs drop. To put it in perspective, it's stronger than tachi fudo was since fudo was just 60% str 3.0 and camlann is 3.0 60%/60% but also with attack bonus.

[Damane]

Wildfire is still 60%

considering that most mobs resust darknness dmg the modifier on laeden is justified, where as there are little mobs that resist fire dmg and some even take double dmg from it (umbrils and acuex for example)

surprised that metatron only got a wsmod buff and nothing else compared to ukon