Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Ophannus]

BST needs some cool pets... not another sheep! They added an admantoise so they should continue and make a Wyrm or something lol.

Bsts wont ever get sentient pets like dragons/undead/demons/arcana. They only get pets that correlate with the standard ecosystems for which they get Killer Traits for. Now a behemoth,gnoll, cerberus, alicorn pet. I always imagine back when 75 cap was lifted that level 99 bsts would get a behemoth at 99 as their ultimate pet because behemoths are the epitome of beast and being able to tame a behemoth should be the paragon of what bst can do. Instead mastered 99 beastmasters are still using farm animals.

Bst should get an unbridled learning like ability, 20min recast, summon a badass behemoth for 5minutes, can cast meteor and shit. Or maybe a 5min ability to call forth an hnm pet to use a powerful tp move then disappear. Like an oldschool ff summon. It wouldnt break the rule of having more than 1 pet because the 2nd pet wouldnt be an npc/pet, it would just be a summon circle/glyph, a behemoth pops out, readies ecliptic meteor, then disappears.

[CoreyX]

They should make it like FF5, where BSTs can use Pokeballs when a monster is at low HP to "capture" it, and then they can release it to perform 1 special attack and then disappear

[dasva]

Speaking of which why the Lucere model? Does it have a different tp move than other sheep?

[Shenrien]

Assuming that these can even land in content that it would be useful for (D-VD battles, Delve NMs like Tree, Tiger, Bird) they would be rather powerful in those senses, but how many people have actually attempted to land gravity on anything in these fights on something like SCH or RDM and how reliable has it been up to current date? Granted all these debuffs could act like dia where they cannot be resisted no matter what which would be ideal.

[Malithar]

but how many people have actually attempted to land gravity on anything in these fights on something like SCH or RDM and how reliable has it been up to current date? Granted all these debuffs could act like dia where they cannot be resisted no matter what which would be ideal.

I use it all the time as Geo. Only issues with landing that I've ever had was on VD content, and that can be overcome with Indi-Focus + Geo Languor, though that's not very useful from a debuffing perspective. Maybe doing that, followed by Frazzle, then putting up more useful Indi/Geos would work.

[Hitou]

Speaking of which why the Lucere model? Does it have a different tp move than other sheep?

They have that obnoxious Dazing Discord move but other than that it's just an orange sheep.

[Teryu]

Orange sheep is best sheep.

[fantasticdan]

Bsts wont ever get sentient pets like dragons

I don't see why bst couldn't get a puk pug, they're charmable.

[dasva]

They have that obnoxious Dazing Discord move but other than that it's just an orange sheep.

What's that do?

[Prothescar]

AoE Silence, Blind, and damage.

[Sechs]

And Damage is % damage or something if I recall

[Tarage]

"To give a rough overview of our plans for these three jobs, we’re planning to boost the combined damage over time capability of the master and pet so that it is greater than that of your standard damage dealer as there are certain costs associated with maintaining pets."

Oh neat. Wonder what jobs they are talking ab--

"Beastmaster, dragoon, and puppetmaster"

...Super... left out of the party again...

[Sechs]

Don't want to be the one who always sees the glass half full, but they probably left SMN out because normally SMN doesn't really melee with their pets, which is instead exactely what BST, DRG and PUP do.
In this sense they all share the similarity of being a "melee job" with a pet.

SMN is more of a mage job with a pet. Yes, Nirvana owners do melee and such, but it's not really the "typical" way every other SMN play their job.
I want to believe that's the reason why they left SMN out of that group. They'll probably see more specific and more magey adjustments, suited for a support/mage job who's supposed to stay at distance unless he has a Nirvana.

[Prothescar]

have got significant doubts that whatever they do to adjust pet jobs will make them tons better like he's saying, but it'd be funny if BST PUP DRG end up being rules of the roost. Endlessly amusing, in fact, particularly given how hate-free these three jobs (though mostly BST and PUP) are compared to most (all) other melee, making them more reasonable melees to bring a tank with.

[Tarage]

Don't want to be the one who always sees the glass half full, but they probably left SMN out because normally SMN doesn't really melee with their pets, which is instead exactely what BST, DRG and PUP do.
In this sense they all share the similarity of being a "melee job" with a pet.

SMN is more of a mage job with a pet. Yes, Nirvana owners do melee and such, but it's not really the "typical" way every other SMN play their job.
I want to believe that's the reason why they left SMN out of that group. They'll probably see more specific and more magey adjustments, suited for a support/mage job who's supposed to stay at distance unless he has a Nirvana.

Valid, but I just cringe every time I see SMN left out of things, especially since they said they want to change Favor so that it increases perp cost but also gives more power to avatars.

We SMN get forgotten a lot, despite how much we bitch.

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On an unrelated note, I'm really digging that they are going to make gear swap sets. As one of the stubborn souls who still doesn't use windower/spellcast, this is a very nice treat. Now I can pretend to be one of the cool kids.

[Malithar]

We SMN get forgotten a lot, despite how much we bitch.

Enjoy your Hastega II and "Saving Grace of God's Beast" (Google's name, not mine!) in the future.

Also, Atamos is seemingly pushed back to September.

Looks like their built in gear sets will simply use the equipment UI, and you'll save the set. Sounds like at inception, it'll have a cap of 100 different sets.

Some changes coming to dual wield in September, but can't really make out what Lomloon is saying. The comment was in regards to high amounts of dual wield making you gain much less TP comparatively, though Lom's response is all over the place via Google.

[Indalecia]

On an unrelated note, I'm really digging that they are going to make gear swap sets. As one of the stubborn souls who still doesn't use windower/spellcast, this is a very nice treat. Now I can pretend to be one of the cool kids.

How in the blueberry-fucking-hell do you play summoner without windower macros at the very least? My shortest macro on smn is 33 lines, just for Flaming Crush. Most are 40+.

[geno3302]

How in the blueberry-fucking-hell do you play summoner without windower macros at the very least? My shortest macro on smn is 33 lines, just for Flaming Crush. Most are 40+.

Yeah I counted once. I would have to press like 10 macros every time I use a normal BP rage. It was something like 40-50 macros to handle all the gear sets I use, probably more now since I've added a lot more complexity to it.
I also added PT messages for buffs so people know wtf they're actually getting. Like Fenrir actually prints out how much ACC/EVD/Stats his buffs give and such

[Darkmagi]

Tarage, I didn't think I could take you any less seriously. Why are you so terrible. Make the switch and hate life less.

[shepardG]

Seriously... game would be offline if it weren't for people who did SE's work for them. Playing without windower/spellcast/GS is fucking stupid.