Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Malithar]

Also, not completely true we got end-game for every expansion.
RotZ gave us Sky.
CoP gave us Sea.
ToAU gave us uhm... Einherjar? And ZNMs maybe?
WotG gave us... not much. WoE was supposed to be WotG's endgame stuff but it kinda failed at that.

Add Salvage to ToAU.
WoE may of sucked at the time, but WoE was what they did. Doesn't make the comment any less true. There'd be some serious rage without a new endgame area/event to cap off the conclusion of SoA.

[Sechs]

Uhm... it's all relative of course.
Salvage gave gear which was awesome, but despite being able to enter as 18 (I remember a few runs with ~12 people lol) it was more content aimed for small groups to be done outside of LS events?
Such a definition wouldn't make sense with nowadays standards, but back then I could feel a very tangible difference between Salvage and stuff like Einherjar, ZNMs etc. At least when such content was still fresh.
Maybe it's just my bias coming from the type of server/Linkshells I was in at the time.
We all had our own "salvage statics" of course, but they were all small groups and we were going on our own. We've never gone on an "official LS event" doing Salvage.

I reckon this is a very personal and biased definition/view of end-game, but for some reason I feel SE too meant Salvage as something somehow different to how they meant stuff like Sky, Sea, Einherjar and I guess ZNMs too.


And I have to take my statement on WotG back, you're absolutely right. Wether it sucked or not (it did, for 1000 reasons, but game was all fuckin random at the time) it's "what they did".

[Indalecia]

All of smn Af3 is good/situational but touching the body in any way is going to make it GDLK. Same thing to pants in a slightly lesser degree.


But no seriously, ANYTHING to the body is gonna be crazy. I patiently await SE fucking it up somehow.

[Damane]

I can see (I sure hope for it!) some "end-game" new content for Adoulin, kinda due. Not sure that would be enough for large increase in ilevel. I'd expect more something along the lines of 119 sidegrades or 120 as a "max" final ilevel of Adoulin.
Also, not completely true we got end-game for every expansion.
RotZ gave us Sky.
CoP gave us Sea.
ToAU gave us uhm... Einherjar? And ZNMs maybe?
WotG gave us... not much. WoE was supposed to be WotG's endgame stuff but it kinda failed at that.

there is big end game comeing

skirmish is the equal to salvage, annm, abyssea base
delve is adoulins einherjar, WoE in wotg, legion in abyssea aera
assignments are their assaults, or operations from wotg
we still lack the real pusher yet ( ZNM, VWNM big bosses + ProvWatch, sky sea), i am sure it will invlolve inner amd outer rakaznar

thr whole last mission batch was about the serpent labyrinth habitated by the minions of hades and trapped enemys. we are only scratching at the entrance of it with outer rakaznar

[fantasticdan]

That's being overly optimistic I think. I'd be surprised if we see any new SoA endgame beyond two more delve/wkr (the 'serpent labyrinth' could just be the dark elemental one rather than it's own system), one more skirmish, and more rehashed battlefields.

[dasva]

All of smn Af3 is good/situational but touching the body in any way is going to make it GDLK. Same thing to pants in a slightly lesser degree.


But no seriously, ANYTHING to the body is gonna be crazy. I patiently await SE fucking it up somehow.

5 more smning skill, boost it to -5 perp, throw refresh on it and tons of stats for the master goooo!

[Sechs]

...and BP Damage to at least +12% or we'll still be relying on Convoker's +1 for pet_midcast
I want refresh +3 on head and 4% BP damage on legs so I can give up Ngen Seraweels.

[Damane]

That's being overly optimistic I think. I'd be surprised if we see any new SoA endgame beyond two more delve/wkr (the 'serpent labyrinth' could just be the dark elemental one rather than it's own system), one more skirmish, and more rehashed battlefields.

to my knowledge and as the Devs stated, Skirmish is finished, this was the last part of it. there might be a new delve because the last naakual is a member of the triumphirate, makeing the triupmhirate the 3 bosses of the new delve, but thats highly unlikely, because Delves bosses consisted of WKR copies.
What i think we will get:
1 more "special" WKR that needs all 6 old WKR KIs to enter the battle field, but is seperate instanced party battle and tied to story progression with rewards, reason why:
- another incentiv to do the old WKR (prolly accompanied with a shortened repop timer on older WKR) and keep them somewhat relevant.
- prolly will have unique gear with a very low drop on the excellent pieces and a good drop rate on the garbage equipment pieces.
- most likely Content lvl 119 tops 125
A Sea/Sky zone "Inner Rakaznar" with multiple spots to pop NMs on the field, following a tier system like sea/sky/ZNM with another instanced battle zone where you can trade in tier KI pops for the final boss ala "Kirin, AV or Pandemonium Warden", most likely Content lvl 130 or more (starting with lower tiers at 125 and going up to 130+)

[pancakesandsex]

to my knowledge and as the Devs stated, Skirmish is finished, this was the last part of it. there might be a new delve because the last naakual is a member of the triumphirate, makeing the triupmhirate the 3 bosses of the new delve, but thats highly unlikely, because Delves bosses consisted of WKR copies.
What i think we will get:
1 more "special" WKR that needs all 6 old WKR KIs to enter the battle field, but is seperate instanced party battle and tied to story progression with rewards, reason why:
- another incentiv to do the old WKR (prolly accompanied with a shortened repop timer on older WKR) and keep them somewhat relevant.
- prolly will have unique gear with a very low drop on the excellent pieces and a good drop rate on the garbage equipment pieces.
- most likely Content lvl 119 tops 125
A Sea/Sky zone "Inner Rakaznar" with multiple spots to pop NMs on the field, following a tier system like sea/sky/ZNM with another instanced battle zone where you can trade in tier KI pops for the final boss ala "Kirin, AV or Pandemonium Warden", most likely Content lvl 130 or more (starting with lower tiers at 125 and going up to 130+)

I think they will stick with 119 for the next 2+ years. It's too soon to raise the cap again and make all of the relic and af we've been upgrading useless again.

[Damane]

I think they will stick with 119 for the next 2+ years. It's too soon to raise the cap again and make all of the relic and af we've been upgrading useless again.

I am not talking about item lvl but content lvl

[PSOfanatic]

Yeah I think most of you gentlemen are overly optimistic about the future of FFXI in terms of "Old school 18 man end game LS" shit. The only way I see this possible if they just decide merge several servers so that there is a population that can actually do said content.

It's getting to the point where if your not already in an "end game" LS...or LS full of end game geared players...that you're basically spending most your time online either shouting for people (which can take hours) or you're waiting for shouts (which can take even longer). Best bet is to level BRD or PLD and REMythic(3/3) it up if you want to get invited to anything. RNG is now dime a dozen.

Just go to most LS recruiting pages. BRD BRD and moar BRD. Maybe a yagrush WHM.

[sapphire]

Yeah I think most of you gentlemen are overly optimistic about the future of FFXI in terms of "Old school 18 man end game LS" shit. The only way I see this possible if they just decide merge several servers so that there is a population that can actually do said content.

If they merge servers now, no one will ever get into Salvage again (LOL).

[Malithar]

to my knowledge and as the Devs stated, Skirmish is finished

Kinda. I remember them saying something along the lines that this gear from Skirmish is finished, IE, no +3 weapons, +2 armor, etc. They did say that going forward, new Skirmishes would drop it's own gear, since people weren't happy about having to farm 3 different areas to get a weapon, 2 for armor, and that any augs they secured were wiped if they wanted to upgrade. That's been some months ago though, so they may of changed their mind or pushed it back. I always assumed we'd see different Skirmishes made for the different areas. Would be easy to differentiate them, just create a new higher ilvl set piece, instead of Faithful torso and legs, use newnamegoeshere torso and legs.

[Draylo]

Yeah I think most of you gentlemen are overly optimistic about the future of FFXI in terms of "Old school 18 man end game LS" shit. The only way I see this possible if they just decide merge several servers so that there is a population that can actually do said content.

It's getting to the point where if your not already in an "end game" LS...or LS full of end game geared players...that you're basically spending most your time online either shouting for people (which can take hours) or you're waiting for shouts (which can take even longer). Best bet is to level BRD or PLD and REMythic(3/3) it up if you want to get invited to anything. RNG is now dime a dozen.

Just go to most LS recruiting pages. BRD BRD and moar BRD. Maybe a yagrush WHM.

You realize this was always the case for FFXI since the beginning?

[geno3302]

GDLK

This is new to me. I dislike it.

SMN AF3 is going to be awesome just because we can start getting double damage procs again. That is assuming at least 2 pieces are good.

[Ophannus]

120 seems like a round number but technically ilvl100-119 is a 20 level difference step up from 99. 119 seems like a proper level stop, no?

[ronin sparthos]

You realize this was always the case for FFXI since the beginning?

No it wasn't.

[Draylo]

No it wasn't.

Riiight... So if you didn't have an LS you never saw endless 5/6 shouts for ISNM 3K or what not asking for a BRD or w/e flavor of the month job there was? Also most LS recruitments are asking for competent people who play regularly and aren't going to quit. Most good LS have a core group already and everything is low man now, so they only want people to play with that are competent for random stuff like BCNMs or hard mode battles. You don't need REM weapons to beat any of this content out lol.

[Prothescar]

are you comparing ISNM to endgame content

fact of the matter is, getting a dynamis, einherjar, sky, sea, etc. LS was significantly easier than getting a delve/skirmish/whatever LS is now. hell, it was easier to get a legion or VW LS and that's when the population started dropping off.

[Draylo]

Oh really, that's a fact now is it? I would compare Skirmish to ISNM3K, yes. Considering all the things you just listed are able to be 3~6 manned, yeah.... hardly. I can go to each server and find LS's that are still recruiting for the all that. You don't need a REM to do them either. Wahhhh we get it, the population is dropping, make your own LS or deal with it for now. Job exclusivity was in this game since the beginning. Level a BRD or some useful support job to get into shit.