Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Draylo]

I'm not sure about the penalty for being a lower item level than the highest in the party thing that Darkmagi talks about, but it definitely doesn't affect it directly.

Level 99 average gear, level 100 Wasp: 300 Exp, 89 CP
Level 108 average gear, level 100 Wasp: 300 Exp, 89 CP
Level 119 average gear, level 100 Wasp: 300 Exp, 89 CP

That might be it then, what hes saying. I know I've had my mules in my party, my mage one with typical level 99 refresh gear and low ilevel and my main with high ilevel and my mule gets lower exp.

[ccl]

I don't see any issue with an all song instrument +3 it would mostly just save space(and time to new brd mule).

[Prothescar]

yeah. gjallarhorn is still better, but it wouldn't be a huge gap, putting it in line with most other relics (aside from the ones that are completely useless!)

[Malithar]

It'd bring the difference between a non-GHorn BRD and a GHorn BRD more in line with the difference between a non-RME DD and a RME DD, though. Support RMEs get away with being way too powerful compared to DD RMEs, and since content is designed to be beatable without RMEs they're cockblocking difficulty.

How though? The option for +3 from non-RME is already there. Admittedly, Langeleik can be bullshit to get, but +3 Minuet, Madrigal, and Prelude are easily gotten. The only realistic difference we'd see in songs that are used is an additional +3 refresh for your backline and -1% more DT effect on Scherzo when compared with Eminent Flute and other +3 instruments.

I'm not like venomously against it, and you have a point about the comparison between DD non-RMEs and RMEs. Maybe I'm just sour at how many Brds are clueless or just ride Terpander or Eminent Flute for all casts.

[CoreyX]

Well not having +ballad match the other instruments makes giving mages ballads rather annoying so there's that. A +3 instrument would be nice for those without gjallarhorn so you don't constantly overwrite their ballads with other ballads if they accidentally got melee songs

[Hitou]

I think it would be fine too, but I don't see them adding that unless the augments are random and you can get all songs +1 - 3 as an augment. Are there any relics that are completely useless anymore? Claustrum used to be the go to joke relic but it has magic damage on it at 119 so it's not super terrible anymore. Mjollnir is still only a melee whm toy. Everyone hates Gungnir but it's not useless. Kikoku might be, I don't play nin so I can't really tell just by looking at it, there's not a ton of 119 katana anyway.

[Prothescar]

amano is pretty much completely useless

[fantasticdan]

Well not having +ballad match the other instruments makes giving mages ballads rather annoying so there's that. A +3 instrument would be nice for those without gjallarhorn so you don't constantly overwrite their ballads with other ballads if they accidentally got melee songs

That plus all the inventory saved. It would be a pretty nice QoL improvement for anyone playing brd without relic.

[ccl]

I think it would be fine too, but I don't see them adding that unless the augments are random and you can get all songs +1 - 3 as an augment. Are there any relics that are completely useless anymore? Claustrum used to be the go to joke relic but it has magic damage on it at 119 so it's not super terrible anymore. Mjollnir is still only a melee whm toy. Everyone hates Gungnir but it's not useless. Kikoku might be, I don't play nin so I can't really tell just by looking at it, there's not a ton of 119 katana anyway.

Bravura Amano Gungnir are very very bad now; so is apoc but people seems to think it's usefull for w/e reason.

[Draylo]

Gungnir isn't that bad after the recent change. It isn't a ryu but its not bad if you don't have one.

[Hitou]

If relics are very bad because they're not mythics, then the only relics that aren't awful are Aegis and Ghorn and even then they're barely useful now. That said I think they should have revamped relics' aftermaths a long time ago. Make then unified and useful like empyreans and mythics or at least make them no so damn awful 99% of the time.

[Prothescar]

nvm i misread, but the reason amano is useless is because it takes an hour to get a weapon that's better

[ccl]

They aren't very bad cause they aren't mythic. Wich make me wonder why are people not mad and QQ on Official forum that some relic are weaker than easy to get wpn now! And ws update kinda "hurt" some compared to the other wpn of the same type like mandau.

[Prothescar]

Yeah, relic weaponskills not getting any fTP adjustment destroyed most of them

[Karbuncle]

Yah most relic WS are pretty trashy now, even with their 40% boosts.

[Prothescar]

anyway, there is a horn

Spoiler: show

http://ffxibluebird.up.n.seesaa.net/...28129.jpg?d=a0

so we'll see what happens

[ccl]

Would be awesome if it get song +4 they could use Ghorn chr+10 and skill+ to say it's still better than this.

[Kyte]

That's a nice looking flute.

[dasva]

I'm not sure about the penalty for being a lower item level than the highest in the party thing that Darkmagi talks about, but it definitely doesn't affect it directly.

Level 99 average gear, level 100 Wasp: 300 Exp, 89 CP
Level 108 average gear, level 100 Wasp: 300 Exp, 89 CP
Level 119 average gear, level 100 Wasp: 300 Exp, 89 CP

Did you make sure to full time that ilvl for the lower ilvls?

[Terravcota]

Did you make sure to full time that ilvl for the lower ilvls?

It does something, but it's not on every kill. When it first came out, I couldn't figure out why I was getting different exp values when triboxing exp. My WHM mule had no idle ilvl gear at the time. An example:

[22:27:16]Limit chain #8!
[22:27:16]Drachenfly gains 1980 limit points.
...
[22:27:44]Limit chain #9!
[22:27:44]Drachenfly gains 1928 limit points.

[22:27:16]Limit chain #8!
[22:27:16]Terravcota gains 2078 limit points.

[22:27:44]Limit chain #9!
[22:27:44]Terravcota gains 1928 limit points.

[22:27:15]Limit chain #8!
[22:27:15]Shaitaan gains 2078 limit points.

[22:27:44]Limit chain #9!
[22:27:44]Shaitaan gains 1928 limit points.