Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Reposado]

Nyzul isle x 1000

[NynJa]

Those numbers dont add up at all.

Lets presume each NM gives you 2 Air+1's, and the boss gives you 2+1 and 2+2, that's 12 +1's and 2+2 (908k, and those drops are kinda generous).

Boss loot:
Tojil 700k
Daku 870k
Muy 1,230k
Add an extra 60k plasm for 60% of an airlixir +2, 240k (Obviously it doesnt work that way, but for determining numbers, it'll work)

Each Muy is 2.4 mil per run. 3 lotters = 792k per run average. 4.75 mil, good for 594 alex at 8k each.


Maybe you meant Delve II?

Airlixir drops are similar, boss drops:
Wopket 1,300k
Cali 1,103k
Utk 2,100k

Plasm -> Air+2 is now 360k (90% instead of 60%)

Each Uktux is 3.37 mil per run, over 3 lotters = 1122k per run. 6.7 mil after 6 runs, buying all alex at 8k gives you 841.5 alex

[Bukadan]

yea but the numbers and specifics of it werent my point as much as just the word "delve". either way it can be done faster than doing the other stuff. my point still remains valid though right?

[Priran]

No, none of this is a good point unless ccl farmed his mythic in, specifically, the month or two after they let you lowman Delve but before they changed the beastman kings' spawn timers.

[ccl]

Most of delve gil come from buyers, not plasm. Also Delve II plasm is 110% of airlixir +2, not 90%, make it X2-3 if you duo/triobox. And yes if your playtime is limited to 1/2h a day you were most likely never gonna get all 3 ToAU king title while everything else was workable with low playtime.

[NynJa]

Most of delve gil come from buyers, not plasm. Also Delve II plasm is 110% of airlixir +2, not 90%, make it X2-3 if you duo/triobox. And yes if your playtime is limited to 1/2h a day you were most likely never gonna get all 3 ToAU king title while everything else was workable with low playtime.

90k plasm for 1-5+boss. Air+2 costs 100k plasm (unless this was changed and the wiki is still saying it costs 100k). How the fuck are you getting 110% from that?

And if you're triboxing, fine you get an extra 480k from Delve II and an extra 720k from Delve II. That factors in, per mule, to an extra 30 alex per Delve I and 45 alex per Delve II. The number still dont add up.

I'd be incredibly skeptical that you're getting 5 different buyers at 20 mil per day, every day. No. Fucking. Way. Maybe things are different on RMT haven Asura, but I rarely see shouts of people selling wins / people shouting to buy wins on Carby.

[Ramzii]

airlixirs were a lot more expensive back then

[Bukadan]

guys the point is delve is a good way to farm for a mythic. thats literally all i was saying and all that i was responding with. i personally farmed about 250m in a week back when airlixers were 2m each with killkenny, who three boxes. thats just one week too, so not even including the other few weeks we were doing it together. so i know for a fact even considering less gil per run, its very easy to do delve to farm for a mythic in less than the time it takes for for the other shit regardless. i mean, he himself did it. for two characters. at once. before. that update. i mean a few weeks after you saw him three boxing delves on here. there you go.

[NynJa]

Comparing "back then" with "now" isnt exactly applicable. If "back then" each run was worth 10 mil in Air+2's, and an additional 6 mil in Boss mats, and now its worth 2 mil, thats a pretty big difference.

[Fwahm]

Delve v2 1-5 actually gives around 105k plasm, not 90k.

[Bukadan]

No, none of this is a good point unless ccl farmed his mythic in, specifically, the month or two after they let you lowman Delve but before they changed the beastman kings' spawn timers.

nynja, im just saying that delve is a good way to farm alex lol, what i said before was in response to prirans shit. because the time frame priran is refering to is exactly a time that i have direct experience lol.

[Bukadan]

if no one is denying delve being a good way to farm a mythic in less time than it takes to complete the rest of the requirements, we are all on the same page. if someone is denying it, then you arent doing something right or dont chill with the right people. the last thing i would do is farm salvage period, personally. (or dyna for that matter, i just dont like to do it much the same way i dont like to do things in abyssea. its just not stomachable for me)

[Shenrien]

airlixirs were a lot more expensive back then

This is how I built the funds for my koga in just shy of 3 weeks of no life farming mata before the skill+ update. 20-22hr long days, 3-4hrs of sleep, exploited the fuck out of that market.

[JSHidaka]

Comparing "back then" with "now" isnt exactly applicable. If "back then" each run was worth 10 mil in Air+2's, and an additional 6 mil in Boss mats, and now its worth 2 mil, thats a pretty big difference.

it depends, since when are ppl saving gil? they could have been saving it since delve 1.0, I know few ppl that capped gil(999,999,999) selling D1.0 wins, + airlixirs

[Bukadan]

lol i dont envy that. you either have ample aderall or a truly remarkable level of determination. i probably would have said fuck it 5-6 days in. you damn sure earned that shit lol

[ccl]

I got koga gil < 3 weeks of farming delve 2 with buyers.

[Priran]

The points I was trying to make:

*It's dumb that after years of Relics, Mythics, and Empyreans being in a state of fluctuating absolute difficulty to obtain and relative strength, SE has decided to make Mythics/Ergons indisputably hardest and overall best.
*That it's absurd to claim the beastman kings were ever the hardest step of making a Mythic, and even if you somehow managed to farm the Alex in a shorter time than it took to get the Kings, the Alex took more effort.

Points I was not trying to make:
*That Delve is a bad way to make gil, or that it's never been possible to raise 300 million gil in a month.

[ccl]

The point is, with 1-2h playtime/day it was almost impossible to get king title, everything else was doable, point is moot anyway since they changed king.

[Bukadan]

whats really dumb is that people get up in arms when there is even a suggestion of a new set of ultimate weapons requiring current/new unreleased hard content directly.

[Draylo]

This is the age of instant gratification apparently.