Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Bukadan]

the points you make spira are all good, and your situation is more than acceptable, if not something i admire. i was speaking in regards to the people who wonder why they dont get invites or are always making parties and wondering why they arent successful blaming everyone else but themselves. i mean im sure people who know you and that you play with all probably are suceessful because you know what roles to place on each other ahead of time. but players who feel they deserve wins when theyre actually trying to get them, but not WORKING to get them is what i am refering to whenever i get bitter like that, i mean product of the environment ect. i apologize if i offended you (or dasva for that matter, lol)

[Spira]

None taken. I know exactly where you're coming from Bukadan

Summoners have used normal black magic and white magic in other games though, so it's highly arbitrary to say "hey, I don't like the idea of using subjob spells because it doesn't fit my personal vision."

If you're trying to make a point it's not a very good one. Summoners primarily summon. Simple as. It is blatantly clear from every FF game with a job system (including this one). The essence of the job specifically in XI is almost solely dependent on developers vision.. Not mine.. And because SMN gets no innate spells to begin with it is clear to me that spell use isn't always a part of that vision, even if it's the most common/practical/functional choice.

Contrast this with XIVs SMN. If they decide a SMN has innate nukes, then that is part of what makes the job there.

[Sechs]

FFXIV SMN is cool and I love to play it but it feels more like a WoW Warlock than a Final Fantasy Summoner.
Maybe it will change once we get more Egis and they balance them out giving them a purpose, giving us more special actions to swap them istantly etc.
But at the moment it doesn't really feel like a SMN to me.
Maybe part of it lies in the Egis which are kinda plain and underwhelming... the Pro is that when you have a thousand close to each other you don't get a clusterfuck mess like in FFXI I guess, but the "oooooooh!" effect of Avatars in FFXI is much more summonerish than the current implementation of Egis in FFXIV, for my tastes at least.

[Tarage]

FFXIV SMN is cool and I love to play it but it feels more like a WoW Warlock than a Final Fantasy Summoner.
Maybe it will change once we get more Egis and they balance them out giving them a purpose, giving us more special actions to swap them istantly etc.
But at the moment it doesn't really feel like a SMN to me.
Maybe part of it lies in the Egis which are kinda plain and underwhelming... the Pro is that when you have a thousand close to each other you don't get a clusterfuck mess like in FFXI I guess, but the "oooooooh!" effect of Avatars in FFXI is much more summonerish than the current implementation of Egis in FFXIV, for my tastes at least.

Took the words right out of my mouth. This is why I won't play 14. Egis look dumb compared to avatars.

[Ophannus]

Summoners in old FF gamew had black or white magic because it was a way for Square to consolidate jobs in a game where you could only have 3-5 party members(which sometimes were permanent, like FF4). Notice in FF5 summoners didnt have other magic. Also in most FF games, Summons were optional content obtained by finding or defeating summon beasts which were usually bosses or endgame content. So they needed to give Summoner characters tools to be useful for the rest of the game. In contrast, SMN was very similar upon release. SMN could use spirits from level 1 and Carbuncle, but at the time, level cap was 65, and Avatar fights were Considered "end game". People used to shout for Avatar fights and wiping was common(astral flow). Many players unlocked SMN as their first advance job but had to wait until they had a job 60 or higher to get invited to an avatar fight( this predates the mini tuning fork battles that were added years later).

[Draylo]

Took the words right out of my mouth. This is why I won't play 14. Egis look dumb compared to avatars.

They really look the worst... Hopefully they get some real cool looking ones after their expansion but I doubt it lol

[Damane]

They really look the worst... Hopefully they get some real cool looking ones after their expansion but I doubt it lol

they might look dumb, but its still better then haveing 39203923 glowing avatars in FFXI clusterfucking your screen and giving you lag to no end. There wouldnt be an issue if SE would have never implemented that dumb glow thingy an avatars ¬.¬

[Draylo]

I don't lag with them out, the only thing that lags me in the game is conflux or telepoint crystal if I'm two boxing.

[Shenrien]

Different PCs handle the game slightly differently, I can hug a conflux/teleport crystal on all 3 characters 1920x1080 and not drop a frame, but the moment there is more than 18 people on my screen and a couple avatars and songs and shit going off I'm chugging on my boxes at around 12-20FPS, makes no difference is I change resolution, turn super sampling on or off or w/e.

[Prothescar]

Ramuh egi looks p cool

[Sechs]

Where did you see Ramuh Egi?

[Rocl]

Where did you see Ramuh Egi?

During the Ramuh fight in XIV he summons Arbiters who are essentially Ramuh-Egi models (since Titan summons recoloured Titan-Egi models there's precedent).

[Kaisha]

At least in XIV you can summon an avatar on top of the existing one, not that you'd want to use anything beside Garuda-Egi anyways. Fuck JA usage in XI in general, even with things like JA0Wait available. Makes everything more annoying to do than it should, especially for pet classes. Can't be quick about anything on XI SMN.

[FaeQueenCory]

FFXIV SMN is cool and I love to play it but it feels more like a WoW Warlock than a Final Fantasy Summoner.
Maybe it will change once we get more Egis and they balance them out giving them a purpose, giving us more special actions to swap them istantly etc.
But at the moment it doesn't really feel like a SMN to me.
Maybe part of it lies in the Egis which are kinda plain and underwhelming... the Pro is that when you have a thousand close to each other you don't get a clusterfuck mess like in FFXI I guess, but the "oooooooh!" effect of Avatars in FFXI is much more summonerish than the current implementation of Egis in FFXIV, for my tastes at least.

I disagree... I just can't get over having a dog penis on my head and calling it a "horn"...
(You will now never be unable to see the fact that FFXIV SMNs are literally dick-heads... L0L)

Plus I can't stand the whole DoT spam and just lack of... Bomb.
Cause that's what Summons have been in every game... Big, fancy, flashy bombs...
But in FFXIV they're..... Egis... Plus dogpenishat... I just can't be serious with FFXIV summoners.

[Dotsudoku]

Summoner aesthetics is it's own issue, but technical complaints go way over my head. I mean, they finally manage to create a viable version of the job, and people are displeased

Also why are we talking about XIV here pls stahp

[Seha]

Summoner's horn is a staple in the FF series. You can't channel the energy required to summon such powerful beings without a sort of..antenna.

[Dotsudoku]

I adore the XI/XIV summoner look. Haters gonna hate(hate, hate, hate, hate)

[Sechs]

Lookwise with the job and AF I got no complaint at all, honestly.

[Karbuncle]

I adore the XI/XIV summoner look. Haters gonna hate(hate, hate, hate, hate)

I like XI's horn, but XIVs horn has always rubbed me the wrong way. It just looks doofy as shit lol.

ANWYAY.how bout them XI's

[Shenrien]

This topic about horns and rubbing people, 2lewd4me.