Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Damane]

I wish people would stop saying this.
A lot of Delve gear, iLvl110, that was introduced in April have survived July, August and November updates. Half a year later and they are still best in slot in many cases. Sure that's still fast compared to how the game was back in 'day, but consider how quickly you can make gil nowadays.

consiering they said they want to raise the ilvl uper limit i wouldnt be so sure they stay best in slot for another 3-6 months... I dont know what you consider makeing quickly gil unless you farm the shit out of stuff to sell or bot your fishing ass off haks. Its just natural to be cautious about crafted gear, i wouldnt buy anything too expensiv either and I am glad I didnt back then when legion hit the shelves with 200 Million + HQ pieces.

its only natural that people dont want to toss gil into the toilet when they know shit is gonna get outdated 3-6 months later (or sooner).

As for the abjurations: I could see them either add new crafted cursed gear to be uncursed via legion/sky/groundking olde abjurations or they make Hard modes for them. I woulnt be surprised if they introduced some hardmode genbu seiruy etc together with some hardmode legion!

[NynJa]

I wish people would stop saying this.
A lot of Delve gear, iLvl110, that was introduced in April have survived July, August and November updates. Half a year later and they are still best in slot in many cases. Sure that's still fast compared to how the game was back in 'day, but consider how quickly you can make gil nowadays.

Thats cuz they havent added ilvl119+ yet lol

[noodles355]

Thats cuz they havent added ilvl119+ yet lol

Some of the best pieces of equipment are 10 levels below the ilvl cap.
Having access to 119 gear did not make all 110 obsolete. Adding 115 gear did not make all 110 gear obsolete either.

I do maybe take back the argument regarding pieces like the cursed-1s that sold for hundreds of millions. But if you're just talking a tens of millions then I don't so much. People were still willing to pump their Delve gear full of airlixirs when the +2s were 10m+. I had no desire to take anything over Rank 2 back then because I thought it would be immediately outdated. But it hasn't.

[dasva]

Some of the best pieces of equipment are 10 levels below the ilvl cap.
Having access to 119 gear did not make all 110 obsolete. Adding 115 gear did not make all 110 gear obsolete either.

Just how many 100-109 peices are still best in slot...? Then how many of them are crafted. And then if there is anything left of those how many are because nothing decent was released for that spot because delve 2 isn't out yet?

[Tarage]

Well... at least they recognize they said words regarding Caitsith...

[Warusha]

Woo excited for smn to get more than 20 spells.

[noodles355]

Just how many 100-109 peices are still best in slot...?

Irrelevant. They were never best in slot to begin with.

And as for Lv99 hyper-expensive hexed abjs? Of the pieces that were BiS and people actually wanted, most are still the best at that job.
Iaso Hat is still best CCT hat (and probably best potency hat too).
Khepri is still highest Waltz Potency
Khepri body is still best for Wildfire, Mercy Stroke and a few other WS.
Khepri hands are still only MAB hands.
Khepri feet are still best snapshot boots.
Huginn are still (afaik) best crit WS boots.
Spurrina is still only Refresh+2 hat for non-Rdms.
Spurrina hand are still only BPD+ hands (Though MAB+ or Attack+ hands may beat them? I'm not smn)
I don't have a Tenryu job, but hands still look like top TP hand option.

A few pieces got replaced like Tenryu and Khepri legs, but the majority are either still best, or never were to begin with.

[Warusha]

Pak Corselet +1 is in that range.

[noodles355]

I wasn't aware Pak+1 had been replaced.

[Fwahm]

Same for Phorcys body and legs, for some setups.

[dasva]

Irrelevant. They were never best in slot to begin with.

And as for Lv99 hyper-expensive hexed abjs? Of the pieces that were BiS and people actually wanted, most are still the best at that job.
Iaso Hat is still best CCT hat (and probably best potency hat too).
Khepri is still highest Waltz Potency
Khepri body is still best for Wildfire, Mercy Stroke and a few other WS.
Khepri hands are still only MAB hands.
Khepri feet are still best snapshot boots.
Huginn are still (afaik) best crit WS boots.
Spurrina is still only Refresh+2 hat for non-Rdms.
Spurrina hand are still only BPD+ hands (Though MAB+ or Attack+ hands may beat them? I'm not smn)
I don't have a Tenryu job, but hands still look like top TP hand option.

A few pieces got replaced like Tenryu and Khepri legs, but the majority are either still best, or never were to begin with.

Some didn't get replaced but in response to those examples...

Iaso isn't the best in pot anymore.
Khepri head might still have highest waltz potency but it also used to be a great head for it's DD stats... also iirc the stat vomit on other hats have made them better for waltzes anyways.
Khepri body used to be better for more. Also Stack MS which is the only time you should use it thf af4 body is better.
Khepri hands I'm assuming you mean for cor... which would make it still the best for qd. But iirc it also was the best for blu debuffs and wf which they aren't now.
Khepri feet... Wurrukatte Boots had the same amount and now so does Iuitl Gaiters.
Spurrina head.. smn as well and iirc af4 head would be better unless you are already charged or timer is down for sch
Spurrina hands depends on the gearing and how many stones you want to throw at that getting your Hagondes augmented
Tenryu hands... Otronif has the same job is slighlty better offensively much better defensively.

Are most of your examples still useful? Sure. Are they still best in slot for some situations? Sure. Have they been marginalized or lost some of the situations/jobs they were best in slot? You bet. That and other stuff being outdated is enough to scare the player base a bit. For example even though you can augment hexed jacket and it's uniqueness of it's stat will help keep it at least good for ranged/magical ws I can't unload nqs 2 mil and I stopped trying to make them months ago because it took me 2 months to unload my last HQ for basically at cost maybe a slight loss

[NynJa]

Khepri feet are still best snapshot boots.

Iui can get Snapshot+3, and Wurrukatte havent been tested it seems.
nvm, seems they were tested to be +3 as well

[Kincard]

A lot of the abjuration gear was BiS for one thing or another, otherwise people wouldn't have bothered dropping 50M+ per piece. It all depends on how hard they are to get and how much of an improvement they are though. If they'll stupidly hard to craft and they increase your WS damage by like 1000 points people will definitely drop the money, if they're just a tiny increase like most of the hexed stuff was people are going to fear a repeat of the "spend 100M to get +1% damage, get outdated later by stuff 1/100th the cost", so if they do that it'll be nice if your LS has some in-house crafters, otherwise you'll probably find it a harder sell than hexed stuff was.

[pancakesandsex]

A lot of the abjuration gear was BiS for one thing or another, otherwise people wouldn't have bothered dropping 50M+ per piece. It all depends on how hard they are to get and how much of an improvement they are though. If they'll stupidly hard to craft and they increase your WS damage by like 1000 points people will definitely drop the money, if they're just a tiny increase like most of the hexed stuff was people are going to fear a repeat of the "spend 100M to get +1% damage, get outdated later by stuff 1/100th the cost", so if they do that it'll be nice if your LS has some in-house crafters, otherwise you'll probably find it a harder sell than hexed stuff was.

I was really surprised at how fast the hexed gear was obsoleted given the length of time old abjuration gear retained it's usefulness.

Given the (relative) difficulty of obtaining some of these abjurations, it would be kinda nice to see the abjurations themselves re-used on new cursed pieces. Would make some old content slightly more relevant.

[arus2001]

I'd rather them not use abjurations at all, myself. :/

[dasva]

Given the (relative) difficulty of obtaining some of these abjurations, it would be kinda nice to see the abjurations themselves re-used on new cursed pieces. Would make some old content slightly more relevant.

Haha 3rd set of abj geared augmented with tatters made from legion abj. With the base cursed peice made from original abj gear! Bwhahahhaha

[Spira]

i kinda liked the way they handled the Limbus renewal gear. You had 2 paths basically - forge a +1 version of the existing Homam/Nashira gear, or a completely different one with the same gear design. I suppose its a good way for people to use gear they like (aesthetically) again without having them be locked down by what came before.
I believe Salvage was done similarly.

Abjuration is a problem tho.. The old abjuration used the whole Synergy augmenting system.. which kinda screws upgrading from the base abjuration to something stronger... unless they allow you to keep augments, or pick augments off the new piece of gear.

I personally miss the flexibility of the scenario add-on gear augments, which allowed you to choose rather unique stats that you want from a list.
I think being able to specifically pick augments, and then power them up (kinda like Delve, but with more flexibility instead of 3 set paths) would be my ideal system.

Or, a new evolith system.. where you can craft one specific augment onto new high level gear. then RNG games from there.

[Yugl]

Much rather have another COLLECT 10X than another RNG game.

[NynJa]

I much prefer the delve augment system over the skirmish augment system. Sure, you MAY get what you want in the skirmish system with less effort, but you're more likely to put more effort and wind up with a weaker counterpart, not to mention every trade does not get you any closer to that capped piece.

[Dominico]

ANYTHING is better than the random augment bullshit parade. ANYTHING.