Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Karbuncle]

I think it did back during the real diving might...

[Ophannus]

No more reashed avatar fights please. We had waking the beast and the abyssea versions. Tired of fighting avatars unless its Bahamut or something.

[dasva]

It wasn't so bad when you brought it's hp down but now it's likely to be killer at any hp

[NynJa]

I was joking with someone in my LS, "who can eat the highest Spirits Within damage".

Waking the beast was fuckin fail, it shouldnt even exist. The drops were garbage, except for the token STR bow.

[Draylo]

It was fun though when it first came out, people just barely did it.

[Kyte]

They could just place caps on Spirits Within, like they do with....you know...all breath-type moves.

[NynJa]

It was fun though when it first came out, people just barely did it.

Because you needed perfect attendance for 6 BCs with enormous travel time just to participate in the main fight.

Its 2006, lets presume each lesser fight is 20 min (buffing included) thats 2 hrs right there. Whats the travel time from jeuno to (teleports accepted, outposts are not as theres always those few scrubs without outposts):
Ramuh- 20 min
Garuda- 30 min
Titan- 10 min
Ifrit- 15 min
Leviathan- 30 min
Shiva- 25 min

So 2 hrs in fights, 2 hrs 10 min in travel.

[Spira]

theres a reason why it was mostly the SMN who were willing to do it.. because we could just mini-fork warp there.
With the whole slew of tele options available now, as well as the fact that movement speed will be increased, it doesn't take that long to get to almost anywhere anymore. only thing is for the most part you need to take the effort to get certain access for that convenience.

in the middle lands all they really need to do is add some sort of warp to Sacrificial Chamber, or something that can bypass the torch door, extend mini-forking to any job instead of just SMN, allow you to open Eldieme gates solo, and you can pretty much go anywhere by yourself within 5 minutes these days.

[Draylo]

Because you needed perfect attendance for 6 BCs with enormous travel time just to participate in the main fight.

Its 2006, lets presume each lesser fight is 20 min (buffing included) thats 2 hrs right there. Whats the travel time from jeuno to (teleports accepted, outposts are not as theres always those few scrubs without outposts):
Ramuh- 20 min
Garuda- 30 min
Titan- 10 min
Ifrit- 15 min
Leviathan- 30 min
Shiva- 25 min

So 2 hrs in fights, 2 hrs 10 min in travel.

I'm aware of what it took to do it, I did it many times when it was relevant. Just saying it was fun, I'm sure they can make another interesting avatar fight out of it with this new system.

[JSHidaka]

I'm aware of what it took to do it, I did it many times when it was relevant. Just saying it was fun, I'm sure they can make another interesting avatar fight out of it with this new system.

They could, but wouldn't be any harder than the T3 in abyssea before ilvl, where the SP would wipe an unprepared party

[Prothescar]

I was joking with someone in my LS, "who can eat the highest Spirits Within damage".

Waking the beast was fuckin fail, it shouldnt even exist. The drops were garbage, except for the token STR bow.

Shiva's shotel and leviathan's couse were pretty awesome at the time

[arus2001]

Yeah, there was some okay-ish loot, but I never took part in it because of the organization nightmare.

[NynJa]

I know chiyio was all about his shivas shotel, but between the low drop rates, the 4+ hr event with low low drop rates, it just wasnt worth it.

[Tarage]

I enjoyed it for the SMN lore... but I pretty much soloed it so...

[Prothescar]

I know chiyio was all about his shivas shotel, but between the low drop rates, the 4+ hr event with low low drop rates, it just wasnt worth it.

wasn't much worse than other events, really. <_< sky, sea, etc. took far longer to get some popsets just to pop a single NM in most cases, and the drop rates weren't stellar there, either. i mean, i guess for waking the beast you couldn't allow half of your alliance to afk while the rest did the work, but oh well?

[Kyte]

Comparing it to Sea is quite reasonable, but comparing it to sky is completely laughable.

[Damane]

just delete lamp floors altogether if its such a hassle to adjust nyzul isle SE! Noone will miss them!

Comparing it to Sea is quite reasonable, but comparing it to sky is completely laughable.

that depends what god you wanted to pop, i remember somethign about RMT and Dragons aery like amassing in some ullikumi room and the despot bitching. Zipacna was a bitch to get too sometimes. Ulli was the worst tough.

[Kyte]

Ulli sucked when he wasn't pop based, but I believe that was changed before Waking the Beast was even added (EDIT: it was a bit before, but whatever). The main difference with Sky was that there were usually several drops that several people wanted and the chances of coming away at the end of the day with at least something that someone wanted was high. Of those things, many of them were more than just marginal upgrades (unlike the Waking the Beast drops).

[Prothescar]

I couldn't begin to tell you how many sky gods I've killed in my time that dropped absolute garbage. And I don't know what you're on about, Ulli sucked after he was made to pop with Diorite too. If you had even one other group up there as competition, you had the luxurious opportunity to wait 3~8 hours for your other pop item NM to respawn. Fun.

[Kyte]

Again, you're also comparing an event that had very marginal upgrades (hell, even calling Ifrit's bow a 3 STR gain is giving it too much credit when 2/5 races already had a sachet with 1-2 STR) to one that had relatively major upgrades. You're completely missing the point, which is that it was completely reasonable that the event was incredibly unpopular when comparing it to other possible things a linkshell could have been doing.