Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Hitou]

I remember them saying they'd let us spend merit points on Gladiator points or something since it's such a pain to get them normally, but monstrosity is an orphan project to SE these days so I guess they just forgot about it. Not like that would solve the issue of wasted merit points either though since those torques are so lack-luster.

[Kanriel]

They need to offer CP (like 10k normals, 15k difficults, 20k VD's or something) on KI fights. That'd make a bit more utility out of merits and encourage people to join groups even if they don't necessarily need gear/chapters. Can go lot synth mats for gil and get some CP for a few minutes of time and getting to do a boss fight instead of grind mobs.

[FaeQueenCory]

CP for HQMNMs would be really good too!
And why not just go balls to the walls full on 1JP for VD?
I wouldn't want to turn them into "teh JP farm" spot... (Namely because if we make one of those, it should be all inclusive.)
But giving a large portion of capacity points would be a good idea. (Especially now that we have so many categories, with at least two more incoming.)

[arus2001]

Put me in the camp that'd rather see merits convertible into RME upgrade items, at least to 99 tier. Something like 20 points per weighted choice, like a 100 coin, a linen pouch, HMP bag, etc.. Basically something to give an alternative to and supplement the related content and arguably over-bloated time sinks they prescribe.

[Ophannus]

Since you can get 45 merits in like 10min, everyone would have 99 R/M/E and shit in a few days.

Time sinks are an unavoidable part of MMO's. Otherwise people would cap out on gear instantly and then unsubscribe. Its timesinks that paradoxically keep people logging in to do them to get their little scheduled reinforcement. If we could convert 45merits into 50-99 alexes, everyone would have mythics, and at that point they would be required and then what's the point of anything? Then they would have to adjust difficulty of content to compensate for mythics being normal and no longer special, just like with Embrava/PD. They'd need countermeasures against it, so they'd probably make mobs spam aoe weapon strip and tp resets and make am3 dispellable etc.

[Fwahm]

45 merits in 10 min what. Even the best worm parties I've been in capped at about 400k/hour, and that's with the chain and lights built up.

[Foldypaws]

45 merits in 10 min what. Even the best worm parties I've been in capped at about 400k/hour, and that's with the chain and lights built up.

Abyssea is worse than Andolin. *Solo* I get 300-350k/hr and in a party I've done 600k/hr.

[Sechs]

I once broke 1000k (~1100k?) XP in Adoulin with Corsair's roll, but maybe that was during a double thing campaign... I don't remember anymore. And it's the best party I've ever had, possibly ever.
I've also seen ~600k/hr abyssea pts, once, Apollymi and some of his friends were there. He claimed he reached 700k but I wasn't there.

everyone would have mythics

Why, isn't this real already?
Regardless, converting merits into mats, gil or stuff is a bad idea imho. Converting merits somehow into JPs or something else would be cool instead, even at very bad rates.

[arus2001]

Since you can get 45 merits in like 10min, everyone would have 99 R/M/E and shit in a few days.

Time sinks are an unavoidable part of MMO's. Otherwise people would cap out on gear instantly and then unsubscribe. Its timesinks that paradoxically keep people logging in to do them to get their little scheduled reinforcement. If we could convert 45merits into 50-99 alexes, everyone would have mythics, and at that point they would be required and then what's the point of anything? Then they would have to adjust difficulty of content to compensate for mythics being normal and no longer special, just like with Embrava/PD. They'd need countermeasures against it, so they'd probably make mobs spam aoe weapon strip and tp resets and make am3 dispellable etc.

And on the other end, you get people that don't even touch content because they realize the grind is entirely out of reach. Mind you, I doubt my thought on this idea will be considered surprising since I was someone who felt SE should've abandoned RMEs with Adoulin's launch, but since they didn't, the next logical step is to make their "entry level" phase less of a hassle. Right now, we're well on our way to job specialization being directly tied to JPs. Making RMEs more accessible will at least make the concept of outfitting alternative jobs at a higher level more feasible. Coincidentally, the content tied to RME acquisition is also pretty terrible for JP growth, if not applicable at all. One essentially comes at the expense of the other.

Had we only one tree of ultimate weapons, I'd probably be less vocal about this, but we've got three. And I will forever assert that telling people to do Dynamis daily for 3+ months just to get anywhere is not good game design. Further economic prosperity largely being tied to this is also testament to how fucktarded the rest of the economy actually is. So let's divorce how rich one is, or perhaps, more keen on botting, from the equation and just let some reasonable effort get someone's foot in the door and not standing at the end of a long, unlit driveway.

[Fwahm]

Abyssea is worse than Andolin. *Solo* I get 300-350k/hr and in a party I've done 600k/hr.

That's still a far cry from 2.7m/hour.

[Ophannus]

45 merits in 10 min what. Even the best worm parties I've been in capped at about 400k/hour, and that's with the chain and lights built up.

Worms give what like 600ish exp per kill? 121 mobs in adoulin give about out 3300 per kill and die in 5-10 seconds solo. Then there's all the crystal/ites/roe stuff on top. I get a merit every 3 kills.

[Ophannus]

450,000 for 45 merits, assuming it takes about 136 kills or so to get 450000 exp, shave off about 20-30 kills due to RoE giving substantial exp bonuses, about 100 kills. With fast respawnning and no competition, its about 10s per kill due to march x2 and haste2 and gear/traits. It should take about 16-20min. So 10 was a stretch but even getting 50-99 alex every 20min is ridiculous. Btw this is solo, can probably edge more with corsairs roll and faster kill speed.

Also Merits->JP is to be avoided, presumably because they want players to obtain JP by playing the job, not getting merits on brd and converting into JP for their WAR, even at any rate. It's meant, according to them, to reward players for playing the job and they said they'd never make content centered around JP and gifts. So far that holds true. BLM RDM and GEO play just as good with tier5/4 nukes respectively. Reraise4 for whm is icing on the cake, far from required. You dont need the acc/att from gifts to clear content by any means, but it makes you more efficient.

[arus2001]

Now revise your numbers for someone in full eminence gear and maybe not all the right trusts/jobs. Overall, the notion isn't to pander to the super hardcore who are already well off and/or exploiting the shit out of the game.

[Damane]

450,000 for 45 merits, assuming it takes about 136 kills or so to get 450000 exp, shave off about 20-30 kills due to RoE giving substantial exp bonuses, about 100 kills. With fast respawnning and no competition, its about 10s per kill due to march x2 and haste2 and gear/traits. It should take about 16-20min. So 10 was a stretch but even getting 50-99 alex every 20min is ridiculous. Btw this is solo, can probably edge more with corsairs roll and faster kill speed.

Also Merits->JP is to be avoided, presumably because they want players to obtain JP by playing the job, not getting merits on brd and converting into JP for their WAR, even at any rate. It's meant, according to them, to reward players for playing the job and they said they'd never make content centered around JP and gifts. So far that holds true. BLM RDM and GEO play just as good with tier5/4 nukes respectively. Reraise4 for whm is icing on the cake, far from required. You dont need the acc/att from gifts to clear content by any means, but it makes you more efficient.

I like to point out that alot of stuff people do is because of that bolded part: expensiv gear, RMEs etc etc etc.

[Ophannus]

So there may be a future endgame zone coming.

Paraphrased:

Morimar: Whatever happened ta your dad and his troupe, it wasn't because of the jungle. Someone--something just threw em into another dimension.
Arciela: You couldn't possible mean ...Tartarus?
Morimar: I doubt it
Arciela: I remember reading about something like that in the Middle Lands where a unit mysteriously diusappeared during the Great War. Perhaps it could be related.
Morimar: Sometimes ya hear about things like that but it doesnt mean its the same here...

and then

Arciela: By the way you reminded me. My father once carried a blade of pure Mythril with seven stars inscribed upon the hilt.

SE wouldnt just throw that in there for nothing.

[Prothescar]

Dynamis - Adoulin

[dasva]

450,000 for 45 merits, assuming it takes about 136 kills or so to get 450000 exp, shave off about 20-30 kills due to RoE giving substantial exp bonuses, about 100 kills. With fast respawnning and no competition, its about 10s per kill due to march x2 and haste2 and gear/traits. It should take about 16-20min. So 10 was a stretch but even getting 50-99 alex every 20min is ridiculous. Btw this is solo, can probably edge more with corsairs roll and faster kill speed.
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136 - 20 to 30 = 100!?! Teach me your math. Also that amounts seems kind of high to do 450000 xp in 100 kills that's an average of 4500 each 136 would be 3300 kills each split the difference and you are saying 1200 xp each per kill from RoE <.<.

Also if you are killing in 10 seconds solo how are you even getting haste 2 on? Haven't played with arciela that much but Koru would never keep that up when I kill anywhere near that fast

[Tarage]

Speaking of JPs, has anyone looked into the Avatar's Favor Effect JP category? It says 3 seconds per level, but does that mean 3 actual seconds? Or 3 ticks? Because if it's 3 seconds, that means a maximum bonus of 30 seconds, meaning it still takes 45 seconds to reach maximum. I'm just curious if it's worth investing JPs into.

[Nocki]

Speaking of JPs, has anyone looked into the Avatar's Favor Effect JP category? It says 3 seconds per level, but does that mean 3 actual seconds? Or 3 ticks? Because if it's 3 seconds, that means a maximum bonus of 30 seconds, meaning it still takes 45 seconds to reach maximum. I'm just curious if it's worth investing JPs into.

It is 3 literal seconds per level.

[Malithar]

Because if it's 3 seconds, that means a maximum bonus of 30 seconds, meaning it still takes 45 seconds to reach maximum. I'm just curious if it's worth investing JPs into.

I don't keep up much with Smn, is it really only a base delay until max potency of 1:15? JPs will be really nice for it once we get to the 30 cap then for instant max potency favors.