Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Nem0]

I wonder if Koru-Moru will get Ardor.

[dasva]

I wonder if Koru-Moru will get Ardor.

I almost hope not... he has too many things to cast as is. Usually when I use him he has a hard time even keeping me hasted with all his other spamming. Maybe Arciela could pull it off... she's pretty good at buffing even if no cures

[Draylo]

They need to bring him back already

[S N K]

Welp, shit was fun while it lasted... lol

[Capuchin]

I wonder if Koru-Moru will get Ardor.

I think if anything they'd just add Ardor to a different not yet released Trust.

But similar thought... I wonder if PUP's Stormwaker automaton (RDM head) will get Ardor - either now or in a future update. It does get some other interesting RDM spells like Haste II, Phalanx on master, etc. If it does, would likely be something it would cast only on the PUP and not other party members (the only automaton frame that casts on party members is the WHM head, which doesn't get stuff like Haste II and Phalanx)

In a party that could be pretty cool to have a DD that gets its own personal Ardor even if you don't have a RDM in the group. Seems like it could be rather strong for PUP since it's a job that hits many times for low TP/hit.

For solo it's a little less impressive just due to the higher difficulty of getting a decent SC, but there's some use if you're making a SC off a trust WS or the sorta weak mage puppet WS (or self SC using Tactical Switch, but that sort of defeats the purpose of Ardor as that would mean very few hits in between your own WS).

[Kanriel]

Mercy Stroke really doesn't deserve a nerf, it's at a decent place, Rudra/Mandalic had the crazy high fTP values, so I'm a bit worried they're going to come right in and over-nerf.

[Foldypaws]

Mercy Stroke really doesn't deserve a nerf, it's at a decent place, Rudra/Mandalic had the crazy high fTP values, so I'm a bit worried they're going to come right in and over-nerf.

I'm baffled why they're considering a *shark bite* nerf. It's currently
TP Modifier 1000 TP 2000 TP 3000 TP
fTP: 2.0 4.0 5.75

If they think *that* needs a nerf... that does not speak well to post-nerf Rudra's.

[Kanriel]

I'm baffled why they're considering a *shark bite* nerf. It's currently
TP Modifier 1000 TP 2000 TP 3000 TP
fTP: 2.0 4.0 5.75

If they think *that* needs a nerf... that does not speak well to post-nerf Rudra's.

That's just crazy for Bibiki Bay parties!

Honestly I don't see how it would be too crazy to return to closer to where things were with the breakdown being:

Mercy = strongest stacked @ 1000%
Rudra = strongest stacked @ 2000%+
Mandalic = Strongest with Vajra for aftermath, almost as strong as Mercy @ 1k and almost as strong as Rudra at 2k
Evisceration = strongest unstacked

That gives THF 4 viable WS (though 2-3 for most THF) which is more diversity than most DD's.

The way they're wording it, they're going to make it so THF is going to depend on having a RDM in the party to be viable, which is fucking stupid.

[dasva]

Looks like it's going to be back to spamming evisceration at 1000% and probably not even bothering with stacking

[NynJa]

Mercy Stroke really doesn't deserve a nerf, it's at a decent place, Rudra/Mandalic had the crazy high fTP values, so I'm a bit worried they're going to come right in and over-nerf.

Are you fucking serious with this post?

This is what you wanted...you wanted SE to nerf, knowing full well SE NEVER nerfs properly.

[Prothescar]

smells a lot like the ukko's fury nerf panic in this thread

[fantasticdan]

Rudras is either so overpowered that it's trivializing most endgame content, or so terrible that no one will invite a thf for anything besides treasure hunter. There can be no in-between.

[dasva]

Rudras is either so overpowered that it's trivializing most endgame content, or so terrible that no one will invite a thf for anything besides treasure hunter. There can be no in-between.

Well given the fact they are nerfing a ws that is currently significantly worse than Rudra's was pre buff that doesn't really bode well for any of the ws being nerfed. At least evisceration is still pretty decent

[NynJa]

Well given the fact they are nerfing a ws that is currently significantly worse than Rudra's was pre buff that doesn't really bode well for any of the ws being nerfed. At least evisceration is still pretty decent

Pretty much.

[Damane]

so they nerfing all thf ws and we are back to SAM only. dissapointing... (even though i dont play thf dnc or sam). Good job guys!

[Lyramion]

Well they also talked about balancing SAM, just didnt give details.

[Kanriel]

That post makes it sounds like RDM is going to be a required member of all groups now or some shit and Ardor alone will balance the other jobs to compete with SAM.

Which is dumb.

[NynJa]

In 13 years, people still havent learned a god damn thing: DONT BEG FOR NERFS

[arus2001]

Probably too much to ask for Ardor to be AoE, too. Enjoy your Haste/Ardor cycles, RDM!

[Tarage]

They'll give Ardorga to Garuda.