Dev Tracker: Discussion

[NynJa]

dunno the embrava and PD nerf were done properly.

To the point Embrava never really gets used, and max PD duration is STILL unattainable 3 yrs later...thats really done properly lol

edit: 2 yrs later, patch was jan 2013 according to embrava page history on wiki

[Sechs]

Because they only buffed 1H WS and those are 2H and H2H WS.

There have been two overhauls.
The first one was for all WSs (includuding H2H and GAxe one), the second one has been specific for 1H ones.


@Nynja
Embrava doesn't get used anymore for other reasons. Don't compare today's situation with the after nerf one. After the nerf Embrava still got used. Now you have GeoHaste, Hastega2, Haste2 etc, embrava of course gets smaller use. I remember during Delve1 we still used it occasionally.
As for the PD nerf it looks good. You can reach 1 min with today's gear, more than enough for such a powerful ability imho.
I'm with Damane here, I think it was a needed nerf and they did it kinda good, much better than others at least.

[NynJa]

You can reach 1 min with today's gear

Need 600 skill for that:
Base 417
Merits +16
Kirin's Pole +12 (Perfect aug)
Vox Grip +3
Convoker's Horn +15
Caller's Neck +9
Andoaa +5
Summoning Ear +3
Anhur +12
Glyphic Bracers +1 +19
Evoker +10
Globidonta Ring +5
Conveyance Cape +8 (+5 on perfect aug)
Cimmerian Sash +5
Adapa's Slacks +1 +14
Mdk. Crackows +1 +11

Unless theres other auged gear, my math comes to 569. Which is not capped, which I said its not.

[Sechs]

You forgot +5 from Gifts, which adds another second. PD atm caps at 58seconds with best gear iir. Things gonna change in a few days with new reforged empy.
Anyway I'll edit my post and change that "1min" into a "~1min", but it's pretty obvious I meant the latter.
2 seconds don't make or break.

[Tarage]

Bad move not making it Rare/Ex. I hope they at least require a temp key item from clearing the areas for each piece.

All other upgrade material has been AHable, why would this be any different? And why do you want people to be forced to do content to upgrade their armor? That's stupid.

[Sechs]

And why do you want people to be forced to do content to upgrade their armor? That's stupid.

Yeah I mean, wtf! People actually having to do content to get better gear, that's preposterous!1!!one!!

Sarcasm aside, "tecnically" I think there are some pre-requisites to be able to do the reforge things as well, but they were pretty bland.
Wonder if these new reforged empy will still use Chapters 1-10. By te look of things I'd be leaning to say "yes".

[Tarage]

Yeah I mean, wtf! People actually having to do content to get better gear, that's preposterous!1!!one!!

Sarcasm aside, "tecnically" I think there are some pre-requisites to be able to do the reforge things as well, but they were pretty bland.
Wonder if these new reforged empy will still use Chapters 1-10. By te look of things I'd be leaning to say "yes".

Because locking people out of being able to upgrade their armor because they don't fit the cookie cutter party setup is a good method of gating things.

I know you are being sarcastic, but it needs to be said. There should always be multiple paths towards the same goal. Kill a NM and get the drop? Cool. NM refuses to drop it? A points system for killing the NM is great. Can't kill the NM? Farm up some gil and buy it.

Do we really need to be gating people for a game that only has a year left? How about letting people have some fun feeling awesome in their new gear.

[Sechs]

Pointless blahblahblah, sorry.

[Hitou]

Not sure why you needed to write a whole book on the philosophy of incentivizing people to do content when we all know it's just going to be the same thing as delve. People that can do the content, will, and they will make bank selling the reforge/crafting items for millions of gil similar to what people did with the delve I/II crafting mats both before and after reforge was added.

[Sechs]

Not sure why you needed to write a whole book on the philosophy

I went overboard, I apologize.
My main point was just a reply to Tarage's amazement to the necessity of doing hard content to get the best gear suggested by the guy before him.
It may sound strange but that's the real paradox we all came to accept, maybe unawaringly so. In reality I find it stranger than things are the way they've been lately (that you don't "need" to do hard content to get the best stuff).

It wasn't against Tarage specifically, but his post made me think how ironic the current situation is, and it gave me a sour laugh.

[Damane]

To the point Embrava never really gets used, and max PD duration is STILL unattainable 3 yrs later...thats really done properly lol

edit: 2 yrs later, patch was jan 2013 according to embrava page history on wiki

sorry but the problem isnt that embrava is useless but barelyany fights nowaday needs SP abilitys. only one top ofmyheadis delkfurt tower hardmode and even that one doesnt need SPs with a non zerg setup. Last time i used an SP was 7 months ago or more on my geo thats it.

snd as sechs said due to haste II and geo-haste embravahas lost some of its potency. I remember useing it very frequent in delve 1 runs and pre geo-haste and haste 2 when i was on sch. also the refresh part of it has become moot due to geo-refersh and dunna & evokers roll with the cor rolls. The SP in itself wasnt bad at all after its nerf its just that other ability and spells have gotten alot better.

[Lyramion]

Dont think so, empy material is like AF and Rellic stuff - fully able to sell. They will have direct drops R/EX items tho.


http://www.4gamer.net/games/005/G000...070/TN/007.jpg

DEF133 HP+59 MP+44 STR+29 DEX+37 VIT+29 AGI+36 INT+28 MND+28 CHR+28
EVA+49 MEVA+64 MDB+6 Haste+4
ACC+25 RACC+25 MACC+25 FastCast+5% Crit%+3%
MNK THF RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC RUN


http://www.4gamer.net/games/005/G000...070/TN/013.jpg

ACC+40 RACC+40 EVA+40 MEVA+40 Unity: HP+30~80
All Jobs


http://www.4gamer.net/games/005/G000...070/TN/014.jpg

D156 Delay288
AxeSkill+242 ParrySkill+242 MagicSkill+188
AGI+7 RACC+14 RATK+14 StoreTP+3
Unity: Enmity-3~-7

[Ligray]

Got bored waiting and decided to look every stat up:

http://www.4gamer.net/games/005/G000...070/TN/007.jpg
(SU2)
DEF+133 HP+59 MP+44 STR+29 DEX+37
VIT+29 AGI+36 INT+28 MND+28 CHR+28
ACC+25 RACC+25 MACC+25 EVA+49 MEVA+64
MDEF+6 Haste+4% Fast Cast+5%
Crit +3%
MNK THF RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC RUN


http://www.4gamer.net/games/005/G000...070/TN/013.jpg
ACC+40 RACC+40 EVA+40 MEVA+40
Unity: HP+30~80
All Jobs

http://www.4gamer.net/games/005/G000...070/TN/014.jpg
DMG:156 Delay:288 AGI+7 RACC+14 RATK+14
Axe skill+242 Parry skill+242
Macc skill+188 Store tp+3
Unity: Enmity-3~7
WAR DRK BST RNG RUN

[Sechs]

Could at least have put some haste in that ilevel Ohat...
Body looks like a nice-ish option for MNK, PUP and NIN? (crit WS)

[Lyramion]

Got bored waiting and decided to look every stat up:

WELL THIS IS AWKWARD

[Ophannus]

Yeah, no. 40 acc with no haste is vastly inferior to whirlpool/yoaytl/gavialis which all have 25 acc and roughly 20-25dex(not to mention 7-8% haste and high ilvl stats). The francisca is decent but nothing to write home about compared to other options like mekki, atoyac i'd imagine?

[Damane]

the gear is disapointing lets hope for empy gear.

[TummieGaruda]

Yeah, no. 40 acc with no haste is vastly inferior to whirlpool/yoaytl/gavialis which all have 25 acc and roughly 20-25dex(not to mention 7-8% haste and high ilvl stats). The francisca is decent but nothing to write home about compared to other options like mekki, atoyac i'd imagine?

I look at it as an ACC headpiece for those who don't have access/gil to throw at better options (Whirlpool, Yaoytl, Alluvion Skirmish w/ Augments). It's a semi-ok alternative for acc builds until you can get something better, though Skirmish really isn't that hard though it appears to be slowly dying down.

[Draylo]

That body looks cool for lockstyle if anything lol.

[Lyramion]

Well the body is the highest ACCURACY option short of a fully augmented Taeon with +25ACC & +8 and up DEX. Will most likely also be cheaper after the initial rush. Keep in mind that the Su2 should also have HQ crafts that will most likely give them some added statvomit.