Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Foldypaws]

Body looks like a pretty awesome CdC piece for BLU

[dasva]

If it's cheap enough I could see several of those jobs using it at least for something. It might not be the best for anything other than pure acc/racc on melee shots but it's good enough to use instead of making multiple differently augmented taeon bodies and also provides a good balance on somethings. The higher stat vomit than taeon also helps a lot

[Toth]

That body piece looks nice but not viable if you need too much Jp to unlock it. 100 JP sounds reasonAble but knowing SE, it will be 200...

[Sechs]

200 jp at the current rates, even considering the double CP, is quite a steep requirement for an item like that...

[TummieGaruda]

If it's cheap enough I could see several of those jobs using it at least for something. It might not be the best for anything other than pure acc/racc on melee shots but it's good enough to use instead of making multiple differently augmented taeon bodies and also provides a good balance on somethings. The higher stat vomit than taeon also helps a lot

Pretty high r.acc piece for sure. +52 including stat vomit vs +41 from maxed out augment on Taeon. Going to be interesting to see the JP cost.

[scaevola]

Keep in mind this is just one piece out of multiple full sets. If the example is that powerful (even if not strictly speaking better than fully-augged Taeon), it wouldn't be too optimistic to think most Su2 people without perfect augments or the cash reserves necessary to get them might find something they can use.

Su1 gear was straight awful and DWers still got Sombra Tights out of it. Believe!

EDIT: that body, when compared to Taeon with, say, perfect melee augs (STR/DEX,ACC/ATT,TA) basically just loses a bunch of attack and trades 2 TA for 2 Crit. Base stats are a wash; Taeon barely beats it on STR and still loses on DEX. Obviously Taeon's better, but you can pretty much expect to spend 10 mil or more perfecting the augs and still never get them, so if you aren't of the very narrow class of megarich this aug system was designed to bleed the Su2 body becomes pretty attractive.

[NynJa]

You forgot +5 from Gifts, which adds another second. PD atm caps at 58seconds with best gear iir. Things gonna change in a few days with new reforged empy.
Anyway I'll edit my post and change that "1min" into a "~1min", but it's pretty obvious I meant the latter.
2 seconds don't make or break.

569 + 5 from gifts gives 574, which adds nothing to PD duration (skill/20 floored more or less)

58 seconds isnt 60 seconds like 94% acc isnt 95% acc like 24% gearhaste isnt 25% gearhaste.

[Sechs]

Not getting your point Nynja. What are you trying to say, or prove?
I think we were talking about pd being one of the, very few, nerfs SE actually did the right way?

And you were trying to disagree with that?
Not sure how arguing about anal interpretation of human approximation is going to help you though, supposing that was your purpose, I apologize in advance if I got you wrong.

[NynJa]

Because it was nerfed and they said "well you can cap it if you get 600 skill", which two years later is still not even attainable.
I dont see how youre failing to understand why thats stupid.

Thats like if SE nerfs the fuck out of rudra then says "well rudras will still be good if you have double minuet and double etude and a two geos and two cors".



That O.hat is terrible lol. Acc+40 looks nice, but when you've got other headgear with acc+20 and another 20-30 DEX, and doesnt leave you with wet paper bag defense, its really shitty. Atleast back in the day, O.Hat had a LOT of accuracy compared to what else was available

[dasva]

Pretty high r.acc piece for sure. +52 including stat vomit vs +41 from maxed out augment on Taeon. Going to be interesting to see the JP cost.

Yeah it's interesting at least. But I wonder if that extra racc will matter as much tping vs something like Kyujutsugi. For ws I'd imagine reforged af3 would be better if you don't need the extra acc this will probably have but between this and taeon taeon would have lead with wsacc augments so would be curious to see how just dmg would compare between base stats and wsdmg. Oh well a general purpose piece until you get better specific pieces if nothing else

[Hoshiku]

200 JP doesn't seem too bad. A manaburn party can get 15+ JP an hour at the moment (so maybe 8 after the campaign ends). That's maybe a weeks worth of JP parties? When you compare it to salvage gear >.>; that's almost nothing!

[Reposado]

15/hr seems low no? Didn't Llelewyn say on ffxiah somewhere they were getting 25-30/hr with double CP on?

[dasva]

200 JP doesn't seem too bad. A manaburn party can get 15+ JP an hour at the moment (so maybe 8 after the campaign ends). That's maybe a weeks worth of JP parties? When you compare it to salvage gear >.>; that's almost nothing!

The difference is when you got the salvage gear you had it done and done. This jp requirement is after you already have the gear in order just to wear it... and even then only on that job.

[Lyramion]

Seriously if the gear is any good ppl will do CP parties as they have done before.

[fantasticdan]

A handful of players will, the vast majority won't.

[Sechs]

Because it was nerfed and they said "well you can cap it if you get 600 skill", which two years later is still not even attainable.
I dont see how youre failing to understand why thats stupid.

I understand this, but we're talking about a NERF to a JA. Now we can discuss wether or not that JA needed a nerf or not (imho, absolutely yes).
The point of what someone said, with me quoting and saying that I agreed, is that PD was a "nerf done right".
They changed how the JA works, making SMN skill matter (before it didn't) which was a cool thing to add, and they slightly nerfed the JA, when the nerf was released you could only reach like what, 55 or 56 seconds? Which was 4 seconds less than the previous duration?
It's not a big deal. Perfect Defense is still a powerful and useful JA, more realistically balanced than it was before.

You're saying "2 years after it's still not those 60 seconds!" well, what kind of nerf would have been if it did lol?
I'm concerned like you and everybody else about the incoming Rudra nerf, was just saying that WHILE RARE there are indeed a couple of times when SE nerfed things right.

[Lyramion]

A handful of players will, the vast majority won't.

On Bahamut we have then rolling like 24/7 during double Campaigns and they fill up fast unless you go into jobnazi mode.

[fantasticdan]

On sylph there is sometimes 1x pt in the bat camp (during campaign only), but that's about it. All the players I know with large amounts of JP botted them.

[dasva]

On Bahamut we have then rolling like 24/7 during double Campaigns and they fill up fast unless you go into jobnazi mode.

Which some definitely do. Last night I remember someone shouting for a geo or cor for a good 3 hours

[NynJa]

Which some definitely do. Last night I remember someone shouting for a geo or cor for a good 3 hours

Thats so fucking pointless lol, the mobs in those camps arent THAT hard