Dev Tracker: Discussion

[dasva]

Thats so fucking pointless lol, the mobs in those camps arent THAT hard

And even if they were these aren't the days where you spent 2 hours getting to camp and xped for 10 hours. Chances are even if it forced you to an easier camp they could've gone right away and made all the cp they were planning on before they even finished shouting for their perfect set up

[NynJa]

That too lol
When im 3boxing (and thats really thf whm + pld leech) i get like 150k/hr without rings. At that meh rate, 3 hrs would still be 15 job pts.

[Atomic Skull]

Thats like if SE nerfs the fuck out of rudra then says "well rudras will still be good if you have double minuet and double etude and a two geos and two cors".

Which will probably be the case. I like how SE actually came out and literally TOLD thieves "we're nerfing you neener-neener-neener!" They never did that with any other jobs they nerfed but then SE has never passed up an opportunity to cockpunch THF whenever and wherever they can.

I gotta wonder if this whole thing starting with the dagger buff has all been one one last final epic troll on THF. Tanaka must be http://i57.tinypic.com/soydlj.jpg right now.

[NynJa]

"were nerfing daggers cuz of thfs lol"

[Atomic Skull]

"were nerfing daggers cuz of thfs lol"

But not Pyrrhic Kleos, now DNC will be even better than than THF than before. It's win/win.

[Byrthnoth]

No Rudra's Storm hurts Dancer too (particularly now that they're upgrading Empyrean head again ; ; ). Dancers with Mythics are just hurt a lot less than THF because Pyrrhic Kleos is pretty awesome.

[Atomic Skull]

All other upgrade material has been AHable, why would this be any different? And why do you want people to be forced to do content to upgrade their armor? That's stupid.

It's bad because it means most people won't be able to justify upgrading their armor when they can sell the items instead for millions of gil. I certainly won't be dumping them into an NPC until the prices go down a few months from now.

If it was Rare/Ex I could just go upgrade it now but I can't because it's retarded to flush millions in gil down the toilet when you can sell the upgrade items at ridiculously inflated prices instead.

[NynJa]

Didnt stop people from selling pelts and shit?

[Tarage]

It's bad because it means most people won't be able to justify upgrading their armor when they can sell the items instead for millions of gil. I certainly won't be dumping them into an NPC until the prices go down a few months from now.

If it was Rare/Ex I could just go upgrade it now but I can't because it's retarded to flush millions in gil down the toilet when you can sell the upgrade items at ridiculously inflated prices instead.

So you'd rather have it be so that once you finish upgrading your armor, all excess rare/ex items you get should be floored instead of used by others?

You're wrong. Period.

[Sechs]

On sylph there is sometimes 1x pt in the bat camp (during campaign only), but that's about it. All the players I know with large amounts of JP botted them.

Asura is a highly popualted server but the situation is the same.
During the first week of Campaign it's a mess to find a free spot for your pts, but then it slowly dies out and the last days people hardly bother.
90% of people who have a lot of JPs just botted them for sure, but I still say they're a large minority of the player base.
Does it matter though?

I guess it matters in the sense that 200JP to equip an item would be quite a steep requirement to ask to a player who's currently sitting at 0 JP. Even worse if for the same item he has to get 200 on multiple jobs.
It would be steep even with the 2x campaign rates, it's even worse when you take that out of the picture.

[Sechs]

It's bad because it means most people won't be able to justify upgrading their armor when they can sell the items instead for millions of gil.

You'd be surprised how many people are perfectly able to justify it.
It's actually exactely because of that that I'll be able to sell items to them, and you too.
I don't see how this is any different from when reforged Relic came out.
I had quite a lot of Plasm back then and sold Boles and other items for 15mils each the first days.
Paid me a Carnwenhan with that <3

Of course this time it's gonna be different since nobody will start with gazilion of plasm to convert.

[Capuchin]

The difference is when you got the salvage gear you had it done and done. This jp requirement is after you already have the gear in order just to wear it... and even then only on that job.

Not only that, but even the few worthwhile at release Su1 pieces were VERY quickly overshadowed by other gear and made obsolete. I would not be at all surprised if even the decent Su2 stuff is immediately overshadowed on day 1 by Empy reforge or Vagary drops.

And it still has to compete with the excellent multi-job Alluvion Skirmish armor (which is probably due for further buffs if they do an Alluvion Ra'Kaznar). I can wear my Taeon stuff on NINE of the jobs I play. No way in hell I'm grinding out 900 JP (assuming 100JP requirement) to say the same thing for Su2.

[urat]

Double edit: Went back and noticed all the rest of their info on their forums is super outdated. Latest post is 2015, but every single other post is from 2013. Not sure why SE suddenly started using a forum after leaving it vacant for 2 years, but I misread.

So Im really hoping we get to customize placement of the macro palette buttons like 14, and can make them invisible if not used. If they're copying 14s its quite possible.

Combined with the whole UI being added for /lockstyle, it is really looking like ffxi is getting facelifted to be more up to date.

Glamor UI for 11 so lockstyle is a perma set? I hope so, sounds like it from the announcement.

Might possibly be in the form of /lockstyle #, and you'll get lockstyle'd into gear set # saved in your macros.... Who knows.

I'm just excited to be able to do this:

http://i.imgur.com/Zp8li9p.gifv

Edit:

Also, wonder how long it will take for people to be able to .dat edit these icons for macros, REALLY looking forward to customizable macro icons, that in itself will add another whole level to macros that Ive been craving forever. This is possibly the biggest thing Ive ever looked forward to in 11 ever.

[Niiro]

I'm just excited to be able to do this:

http://i.imgur.com/Zp8li9p.gifv

As handy and clever as that is, it looks like an absolute nightmare to actually setup...

[Lyramion]

Didnt stop people from selling pelts and shit?

tbh most delvenuts hate more than enough plasm to satify their own needs for their mainjobs the instant Delve2 came out.

[Fwahm]

tbh most delvenuts hate more than enough plasm to satify their own needs for their mainjobs the instant Delve2 came out.

Not the ones that trusted SE when they said they were planning on using a new currency, and spent it all to get gil!

[Trumpy]

Combined with the whole UI being added for /lockstyle, it is really looking like ffxi is getting facelifted to be more up to date.

Not gonna be surprised when that lockstyle UI simply means the Lockstyle On/Off button becomes functional tonight. There are some lockstyle things in the equipset menu though also.

Also I noticed they said Changing materials to make puppetmaster frames. I just leveled pup to 99 the last couple weeks (outside of abby) and went through makin all the frames. Typical SE to always wait til after I have done something. Please dont make it a rabbit hide and a bone chip to get the frames made now. They will prolly remove the JP midnight from that shit now too.

[dasva]

And even if they were these aren't the days where you spent 2 hours getting to camp and xped for 10 hours. Chances are even if it forced you to an easier camp they could've gone right away and made all the cp they were planning on before they even finished shouting for their perfect set up

So update he shouted again for idk how long yesterday for cor, geo, brd and at it again right now lol

[Atomic Skull]

Well they ruined the strategic element of Rudra's Storm you may as well just spam it at 100% now. At least Mercy Stroke is useful again as it's now the better WS to spam with thanks to the +40% WS damage from Mandau.

[Sechs]

Is Mandau worth using mainhand over other dagger options though? Jugo Kukri+1 and Ipetam? Or maybe something else added this patch.
Not sure Rudra spam at 1000 is the best thing to do. Aren't other WSs better than Rudra at 1000? They used to be when Rudra was at 6.0 FTP at 1000, so now that it's 5.0 it should be even more true.

Think Rudra is gonna be good only for SC purposes and for when you want to stack it (single hit, higher benefit from Climactic/Sneakattack/Trickattack)