Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Sechs]

I think the truth is in the middle. And kinda depends on your concept of "upgraded".
Those things you named didn't drop "same item with better stats", but it did drop "same model item with different stats". It's true for many weapons of the Avatars, it's true for the DM Earrings and... not much else. Mostly because those HTB are high tier version of mission battles which didn't drop anything at all. Can't compare Shadow Lord Battle from 5-2, which is what they used as base for the HTB, with Fiat Lux from WotG (which is the one dropping Nocturnus set)

So yeah, I think there will be mostly new gear, and some new items sharing same model with some of the old ones.
"Upgraded" versions could still happen but there's no real ground to expect them, imho.

[vivbiibasjiu]

i got them solo and i know two other people that got them solo on my server

The drop rate is tied to how many members you have. I've done it dozens of times and nothing has ever dropped. And you can only do it once a week.

[Fwahm]

You can't kill four carbuncles, then wipe on purpose if nothing drops?

[urat]

I'm hoping for some new fishing quest thats a bit more involved than just "zaldon it"

Compared to everything else though, I am appreciating fishing's time sink, it probably holds the majority of my time spent on 11.

Not only do all of its GP items hold a lot more usefulness than other guilds (mooching / serpent rumours vs yeah, you can craft 3 logs at once!), but the process of capping out on fishing is so much more involved.

Id have liked to see SE add relic crafting weapons akin to Ebisu for all the crafts. Just a rotation of one handed weapons that give skill+2, HQ rate+1% or success+1% or something, and they take an IMMENSE amount of work to get.

Whatever to just make it feel worth doing, and spend a solid month or whatever getting them. Oh well.

Here's hoping this new content is a bit more involved than just "turn this fish in to zaldon"

If Id hazard a guess, itll either be a new fish, or it'll involve the four dragon fish (Hakuryu, Sekiryu, Kokuryu, Soryu)

Considering how legendary the fish appear, and the fact that SE clearly hasnt intended for them to just be "catch this and NPC it", they clearly have intended for them to have a future purpose.

Matsya was introduced ages before they added shaper's shawl to the game, Im hoping the same goes for these four. Maybe some sick new piece of gear or item or furniture we can put together by zaldoning all four of the fish... Maybe even *gasp* fishing earrings? :O

*crosses fingers in hopes of content that has a real purpose*

[vivbiibasjiu]

You can't kill four carbuncles, then wipe on purpose if nothing drops?

It doesn't drop from carbuncle directly. It drops from the cutscene after you beat the entire fight. Each members gets the cutscene and may get an item, if they do it's added to the pool.

[dasva]

I did miss that the weapons from the avatars were the same model and job selection as the original avatar weapons for the most part (other than Leviathan, who didn't bring his rod over), but everything else is completely new. There's no upgraded elemental rings or belts, no upgraded Nocturnus for Shadow Lord, no upgraded DM earrings for AAs, no upgraded AN earrings from either of the brothers, no upgraded gear from Requiem of Sin from the Shikarees, etc. I suppose there might be one upgraded item in Waking the Beast, but I'd guess it would be the pole, since when they do bring something over, they've been bringing the weapon.

Technically there are upgraded AA earrings. And you could argue there shouldn't be AN ones since the htb is for the mission fights of them individually not AN which drop jack. Same with SL mission and shikaree missions. So you could look at it as they are giving upgrades to the some of the items dropped in quests ones but not mission HTB since well most missions didn't have anything to upgrade. Since all these new ones are all of the quest variety I'd say there probably will be some sort of upgrade though like previous avatars probably only 1 item probably being the weapon with carbuncle possibly being an exception if they do the full waking the beast funness

[urat]

Technically there are upgraded AA earrings. And you could argue there shouldn't be AN ones since the htb is for the mission fights of them individually not AN which drop jack. Same with SL mission and shikaree missions. So you could look at it as they are giving upgrades to the some of the items dropped in quests ones but not mission HTB since well most missions didn't have anything to upgrade. Since all these new ones are all of the quest variety I'd say there probably will be some sort of upgrade though like previous avatars probably only 1 item probably being the weapon with carbuncle possibly being an exception if they do the full waking the beast funness

Also didnt the hard mode BCNMs drop gear similar to / upgraded forms of their lv 60 / lv 75 versions?

[geno3302]

The drop rate is tied to how many members you have. I've done it dozens of times and nothing has ever dropped. And you can only do it once a week.

i am well aware of that. Does not change the fact that me and two others i know on my server got them solo. it took me less than 10 attempts. Nothing dropped for me till cuffs dropped.

[geno3302]

I did miss that the weapons from the avatars were the same model and job selection as the original avatar weapons for the most part (other than Leviathan, who didn't bring his rod over), but everything else is completely new. There's no upgraded elemental rings or belts, no upgraded Nocturnus for Shadow Lord, no upgraded DM earrings for AAs, no upgraded AN earrings from either of the brothers, no upgraded gear from Requiem of Sin from the Shikarees, etc. I suppose there might be one upgraded item in Waking the Beast, but I'd guess it would be the pole, since when they do bring something over, they've been bringing the weapon.

If they release waking the beast without a summoner only item it'd be stupid. The battle is the end of the unfinished summoner story line. Whole thing is about summoners, so it should drop a SMN unique item

[Byrthnoth]

Should put Dancer-only items in everything.

[vivbiibasjiu]

i am well aware of that. Does not change the fact that me and two others i know on my server got them solo. it took me less than 10 attempts. Nothing dropped for me till cuffs dropped.

And I'm sure some people have won the lottery, too. Doesn't change anything

[geno3302]

Should put Dancer-only items in everything.

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I never understood why they said DNC and SCH were suppose to be SJ oriented jobs then they kept giving SCH things and more or less ignored DNC

[Damane]

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I never understood why they said DNC and SCH were suppose to be SJ oriented jobs then they kept giving SCH things and more or less ignored DNC

um they never said that sch and dnc should only be SJs, they said they would make excellent SJs (which is true).

[geno3302]

um they never said that sch and dnc should only be SJs, they said they would make excellent SJs (which is true).

Actually when they announced them at the fan fest they said the goal was to create jobs that would work as powerful sub jobs. Though people could level them to 75 they didn't intend for them to take the spotlight in any roll, something SCH clearly ended up doing anyways

[Fwahm]

No, they said that they were making sure to specifically make sure SCH and DNC were useful as a subjob. That doesn't imply that they weren't also designing them to be popular and strong main jobs (regardless of how much they succeeded or not).

[dasva]

Also didnt the hard mode BCNMs drop gear similar to / upgraded forms of their lv 60 / lv 75 versions?

Just checked few and doesn't seem to really be the case

[geno3302]

No, they said that they were making sure to specifically make sure SCH and DNC were useful as a subjob. That doesn't imply that they weren't also designing them to be popular and strong main jobs (regardless of how much they succeeded or not).

Not what I remember them saying, but might be remembering wrong

[Bukadan]

the last thing we need is them putting developing hours into fishing instead of at least one ultro hard set of content before they turn it into maint mode. i want something that only the very best can complete, never mind put into farm status.

[Malithar]

They've been dropping hints about new things for fishing for nearly a year now. First it was a use for the legendary fish in Adoulin, then there was talk about how they were too easy to fish so they were going to add different fish, then there was talk about (paraphrasing) "adding something that fishers could be proud of completing." And now talk about fishing content aimed at Lu Shangs and Ebisu. I really doubt it's a matter of putting development hours in at this point, and more "which update do we stuff this in?"

[urat]

They've been dropping hints about new things for fishing for nearly a year now. First it was a use for the legendary fish in Adoulin, then there was talk about how they were too easy to fish so they were going to add different fish, then there was talk about (paraphrasing) "adding something that fishers could be proud of completing." And now talk about fishing content aimed at Lu Shangs and Ebisu. I really doubt it's a matter of putting development hours in at this point, and more "which update do we stuff this in?"

I agree, I hope its a piece of equipment that is more than just "look how big my E-peen is" and actually serves a role other than making fishing easier.