Dev Tracker: Discussion

[urat]

There is so much wrong in that post that it's really not worth dissecting point by point.

Just, lol, you're very wrong.

Skirmish gear is great, but if all you have is augmented skirm gear you are a scrubbucket.

I pretty explicitly stated in my post that skirmish gear isnt the ONLY gear.

Way to totally miss the point of my post

[vivbiibasjiu]

lol @ pet DPS gear for SMN. The whole extra 100 damage you'll do with that isn't worth the MP loss. If you have "infinite MP" go /SCH and nuke

[Tarage]

lol @ pet DPS gear for SMN. The whole extra 100 damage you'll do with that isn't worth the MP loss. If you have "infinite MP" go /SCH and nuke

Kay now I know you're a fucking retard.

[urat]

lol @ pet DPS gear for SMN. The whole extra 100 damage you'll do with that isn't worth the MP loss. If you have "infinite MP" go /SCH and nuke

Pet attack+125, crit rate+20% adds a lot more dps then you think it would, especially on garuda with hastega II.

Trading that off for 9 tic refresh is a good deal when the refresh is worthless (unity, escha, etc)

And your argument is further invalidated by the fact I can nuke AND idle in pet DPS gear and still not run out of MP.

[Snprphnx]

But, if you are constantly nuking, isn't your avatar being nerfed during the nuking miscast phase, since you would be in MAB/MAcc gear, versus Pet Crit and Pet Atk+100 gear? I am honestly asking. I'm not familiar with the majority of pet jobs mechanics.

[urat]

But, if you are constantly nuking, isn't your avatar being nerfed during the nuking miscast phase, since you would be in MAB/MAcc gear, versus Pet Crit and Pet Atk+100 gear? I am honestly asking. I'm not familiar with the majority of pet jobs mechanics.

Id forgo most midcast gear to be honest, maybe swap in witful belt and etc instant cast gear, as for nuking phase, yes, avatar dps would slightly lack for the half a second I have nuking gear on.

Especially considering shiva's Avatar's Favor (MAB), nuking as smn isnt out of the question.

[vivbiibasjiu]

Too bad you'll run out of MP and then lose thousands of damage you could have done with a bloodpact!

[geno3302]

Too bad you'll run out of MP and then lose thousands of damage you could have done with a bloodpact!

You must be a bad summoner.
Scratch that, if you don't know how to manage your MP in various situations then you must be a bad mage. Stick to melee jobs.

[dasva]

Too bad you'll run out of MP and then lose thousands of damage you could have done with a bloodpact!

What is this 2005?

[vivbiibasjiu]

You'll easily run out of MP if you're not using refresh and perpetuation gear if you're focused on damage and using wards and rages every 30 seconds. If you're being a lazy AFK mule SMN and doing 1 bloodpact every 3 minutes then sure, DPS with your shitty pet autoattacks all you want!

[urat]

You'll easily run out of MP if you're not using refresh and perpetuation gear if you're focused on damage and using wards and rages every 30 seconds. If you're being a lazy AFK mule SMN and doing 1 bloodpact every 3 minutes then sure, DPS with your shitty pet autoattacks all you want!

If you run out mp after doing 2-6 BPs and nuking for 1-3 minutes, your a very very shitty summoner.

And if your escha/unity fights take longer than 1-3 mins then your in a shitty group.

[Fwahm]

Even putting aside that it doesn't take a shitty group to take more than 5 minutes on T3 Escha NMs or harder Unities, you're not a good player if you only gear for perfect setups.

[urat]

Even putting aside that it doesn't take a shitty group to take more than 5 minutes on T3 Escha NMs or harder Unities, you're not a good player if you only gear for perfect setups.

If you had any idea what the discussion is here, it has nothing to do with gearing and everything to do with your subjob.

I have an 11 tic refresh set, the discussion was "most escha/unity runs Im in take 1-3 minutes so theres no reason to wear refresh gear"

Your response is "Well some runs dont take that long so wear refresh gear on those runs"

Yeah, no way, really?

[Fwahm]

No one mentioned that they were talking about 1-3 minutes; your post right there is the first time anyone mentioned the duration of battles.

[urat]

No one mentioned that they were talking about 1-3 minutes; your post right there is the first time anyone mentioned the duration of battles.

The discussion went such:

Me: Well unity fights go very fast so my MP pool is constantly being refilled, during those fights I don't bother with perp gear and idle in pet dps gear to get that little bit more dps out

Other people: lol you are dumb, pet dps isn't real, also you'll run out of mp, also why u no nuke as /sch?

Me: Crazy as it sounds, you can actually nuke AND idle in pet dps gear if you don't suck, multitasking, what is that?

You: Yes well on longer fights you need to idle in refresh gear.

Me: Thanks for the tip

[Fwahm]

Yes, and those mentioned Unity and Escha NMs can drag on for significantly longer than 3 minutes in non-shitty groups when you're fighting the harder ones. No one claimed or assumed that all fights that were being talked about would be 1-3 minutes except for you.

[urat]

Yes, and those mentioned Unity and Escha NMs can drag on for significantly longer than 3 minutes in non-shitty groups when you're fighting the harder ones. No one claimed or assumed that all fights that were being talked about would be 1-3 minutes except for you.

When I say "I don't idle in refresh gear on fast unity and escha fights because my mp pool gets refilled every couple minutes" and you ask "well what do you do for the other fights" the answer should be obvious.

[Bukadan]

for everything else, there is subbing blm and stunning

[dasva]

Clearly you should /cor for bst roll....

[urat]

Clearly you should /cor for bst roll....

Considering a lot of my runs are smn bst bst bst bst bst, thats not a terrible idea

On the rare occasion its smn smn bst bst bst bst