Dev Tracker: Discussion

[arus2001]

I doubt they're going to touch subjobs given recent adjustments to Storm spell level reqs.

Probably my final concern with progression once they finish up is the JP grind. Sure, RoV may add another % KI as well as another RoE objective or two, but 2100 points is a hell of a grind and most definitely subject to the usual job discrimination that's gone on throughout the game's history. Long as it took me to break 100 without being pimped in up-to-date gear, multiplying that exponentially just makes me groan.

[Fwahm]

JP gets easier and easier to get the higher you go. At 100 JP, you've only gotten +32% CP from gifts, while at 1200, you have +275% from gifts. This will only continue to increase as you approach 2100. Then, you can add a mantle (30%-50%), nation clears (80%), reives (56%), and maybe even cheers/moghanement. They're going to add more RoE bonuses, and probably RoV bonuses next update, too. It's not that bad, even solo, especially with double campaign active.

Every job can get into CP parties. Mages of all types, paladins, and rune fencers get into apex parties, mages, bsts, and blus get into moh gates parties, paladins, bsts, blus, and blms get into escha cleave parties, every type of party can use a COR, and every job can get invited to bat CP parties.

[arus2001]

Well, that's where gear expectations come into play. Being BLU, I wouldn't be confident in my nuke set with what I had or even my melee for Apex stuff. It's not that I hadn't been trying to improve, Skirmish just wasn't putting out before I ran out of vouchers/gil and, well, good luck shouting for other content, really. Otherwise, I had all objective-based bonuses obtained for the time and used a cape. I forget the precise number, but I think I was getting 7-9 JP an hour soloing eschan murexes. And this was during double campaign with pre-charged ring up. So, while someone could say I'm doing it all wrong, it's been more the case of doing what I had to just to get anywhere at all. Repeating that process for yet another job? Just... ugh.

[Fwahm]

You can join or create bat parties even without remotely up to date gear, as long as you can hit them with sushi and possibly madrigals.

[Trumpy]

A lil while back they mentioned maybe unlockin the craft caps. so that we might be able to take more or all crafts to 100 (barring empty servers and you need to have an item that is crafted only) They are definitely running out of time to add this if they are. I would be mind blowd if they made it a rhapsody key item bonus.

or halve plasma item costs (if they did this i bet they would exclude that item for idris) Man I want to make an idris but i just dont see makin that much plasma. Any delve run i have been in never goes well. I managed to get a win in all and a couple repeats, but even when u have the set up something always goes wrong. Ive lost so many Tojis due to awful pulls. Ive lost so many Sharks cause people cant seem to grasp the concept of try to stay within 5 or over 20 yalms away. If it moves they need to move, but they just stand there "invincible" (they're not).

Im not really sure what remaining old events or even seekers events they can alter as they have with the first 2 chapter KIs. maybe double how many RP lixirs give u or something. I dont think they would make everything easy. cause they want to give us something with longevity to keep us still playing when updates are over.

[Helldemon]

I forget the precise number, but I think I was getting 7-9 JP an hour soloing eschan murexes. And this was during double campaign with pre-charged ring up. So, while someone could say I'm doing it all wrong, it's been more the case of doing what I had to just to get anywhere at all. Repeating that process for yet another job? Just... ugh.

That def sounds low, what trusts are you using?

[Kyte]

If you can't get a decent CP rate on BLU, then you need to reevaluate your life. The bar for being able to get a good CP rate off Sih Gates acuex is pretty low (as long as you're killing them in 2 nukes, you're fine). Skirmish augments are not necessary, although having good Hagondes pants is nice.

And again, keep in mind that the rate is going to accelerate both from the CP gifts and the stats you'll be gaining.

[Toth]

That def sounds low, what trusts are you using?

Agreed. I usually got 3jps per ring charge and usually did short sessions of 20-25 minutes to get 12 or so JP. Try using August, Qultada, Zeid II, Healer of Choice, and Koru. You can switch out August for another DD if you can manage the damage from the mobs.

[Helldemon]

On blu with 0 JP and meleeing cause my nuke set is practically nonexistent it would take me about 10 minutes to use a ring charge. I probably only got around 10 jp/hour but that was w/o double campaign

[arus2001]

Was meleeing since my nuke set isn't good for earlier cited reasons. Trusts were Valaineral, Apururu, Joachim, Lion II, and Moogle. Could usually keep CP chain going, but sometimes the respawns were too far apart. Would've liked a better camp, but those seemed the squishiest and least annoying of the eschan mobs to me. Wandering Yovra, aside.

[Ibisariot]

Larger problem, at least with some of that, was not ensuring that the zones and all they did add were fully useful. Way too many areas that were largely empty outside of people doing missions due to level caps (at the time), or when Campaign was happening, and so on. Essentially, the opposite of what we later saw in Abyssea, where a handful of zones pretty much fueled XP'ing and gearing jobs from 76-99.

Yeah, that was always one of my bigger issues with FFXI. They went through all the trouble of making several nice looking locales, with no reason to venture into most of a given map. I guess they made them that way in case they thought of content to put in down the line, like how there are several tunnels that lead to nowhere in the Middle Lands.

Was always hoping they'd go back and revamp places like Campaign zones and pretty much the entirety of Aradijah. All those sprawling, intricate, interconnected zones sitting there empty...

Oh and yeah, Lehko was pretty awesome, and Lilisette is possibly the one single character I hated most in the whole game.

Man, that is some serious blasphemy there. I could understand not being one's favorite, but hated? From what I remember of WotG, she was a pretty awesome, strong and helpful ally throughout.

As for BLU JPs, have you tried AoEing in Cirdas? Even a pretty basic MAB set will suffice there. The southernmost section has a nice circuit you can run. Can move onto Sih and Woh and do Umbril/Dullahan later on.

[Tarage]

I hated Lil as well. She annoyed the fuck out of me. I don't know what it was about her, but it felt really annoying how she made me do all the hard work. I mean yeah, that's the point of the game, but it felt extra forced with her.

I was glad when she vanished at the end. "I don't have to babysit this bitch anymore."

[Fwahm]

Really? I remember her being at a number of the big battle cutscenes, unlike Prishe, or especially Lion. At least to me, she felt like the partner NPC that did the most.

[Damane]

Really? I remember her being at a number of the big battle cutscenes, unlike Prishe, or especially Lion. At least to me, she felt like the partner NPC that did the most.

this pretty much. Lilisette was the only heroine that actually helped or battled along side you in various BCNM fights and took matters in her own hand. Prishe did so too at the final end battle. but otherwise? I disliked Aphmau the most, because she was a spoiled princess-brat, getting herself needless in trouble which resulted in various death of different peeps ¬.¬ because she needed saveing wtf ever.

[Toth]

So it looks like the patch is going to be around November 10th/11th. Of course it will probably hit the same time as FFXIV 3.1

[Tidis]

this pretty much. Lilisette was the only heroine that actually helped or battled along side you in various BCNM fights and took matters in her own hand. Prishe did so too at the final end battle. but otherwise? I disliked Aphmau the most, because she was a spoiled princess-brat, getting herself needless in trouble which resulted in various death of different peeps ¬.¬ because she needed saveing wtf ever.

Wasn't that the whole point of Aphmau though? She was basically the Princess Jasmine of FFXI, she wants to see the world but being the empress stops her from doing that.

I can open your eyes
Take you promy by promy
Over, sideways and under
On a flying airship ride

[Alkar]

So it looks like the patch is going to be around November 10th/11th. Of course it will probably hit the same time as FFXIV 3.1

I'm pretty sure Yoshida mentioned that XI's patch will hit on November 11th.

[Trumpy]

Is it just me or does it seem like they are stretching out the playonline updates for the nov update? Its like 2 or 3 things that are of course obviously coming. The next one will be " We will be adding a way to teleport around Reisenjima its called. " or " we will be adding monsters to the area Reisenjima."

[Fwahm]

The things they've announced so far were only obvious to people who have payed attention to interviews and the like about SE's plans for the last updates, really.

[Trumpy]

What I mean is...

On 10/16 they gave us a general update on the update

That's not all! Fearsome notorious monsters await in Geas Fete, Wanted battles, and Domain Invasion, each guarding a horde of resplendent spoils.

On 10/19 they told us about Reisenjima (granted it was mostly about Rhapsodies)

A new area, Reisenjima, will be added.
Advance through the final chapter of Rhapsodies of Vana'diel and travel to the remote and sacred island of Reisenjima, land of the gods in the Far East.

On 10/22 they told us about Gaes Fete (We pretty much knew this was going to be part of Reisenjima due to it being the third area of rhapsodies and they mentioned it on the 16th. but the only new info was the new party requirement

On 10/26 they told us about Domain Invasion NMs and again we knew this was going to be a part of Reisenjima (plus they told us on the 16th).

In each of these were 1-2 lines of info. they could have put it together into one post (hence stretching it). Its so disappointing to see a new update info thing and click it and find nothing new or not obvious. Or even worse, nothing more than the info that was was put in the link we clicked on to get there. (LINK: We are adding NMs to zone. INSIDE THE LINK: New NMs will be added to zone.) i guess in the end its not a big issue cause it will be the last time they do this kind of stuff lol.