Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Kincard]

I can't imagine how creating a BLU Trust would be any harder than making any other mage Trust (not to mention they've already created plenty of Trusts with unique models and weapon skills so it's not like they have a history of being lazy with them), so I think they're actually being serious with that lore explanation. I guess you could make the argument that pretty much every Trust so far is at least a friendly character, except for Balamor, but that guy's pretty unhinged so maybe he considers you a friend in the sense that you're the only guy he has fun consistently screwing with.

I can see most of the Blue Mages being mindless drones or whatever but Raubahn at least seems like he has some level of respect for you after you beat him in the Blue Mage Genkai quest. Also I guess he's the exception to the whole "Blue Mages mostly stick around in Aht Urhgan thing" given how he's their leader and all. Don't know how useful the guy would be if he starts spamming Eyes on Me every 20 seconds though.

Also IIRC Razfahd was not a Blue Mage, but I might be remembering wrong.

[Hitou]

Raubahn is literally immortal so you could just engage a mob and afk till he wins. Far too OP for a trust. Mmm-hmm. On a more serious note though, he would be kinda cool even though he's a jerk and I hate his jerk face. Razfahd is a Blue Mage and that's the whole reason he can't be emperor. As I recall it wasn't his choice though, he had to get a lamia blood transfusion or something as a kid to save his life.

Back on the topic of no blu trusts, there's technically no summoner trusts either. Even though there's 2 karaha-baruha. Aphmau is a pup but you'd never know by her trust. Mehg is the only DRG trust we have and I can't remember if she even uses jumps. Every other polearm using Trust is a pld.

[Not Kuno]

Raubahn is literally immortal so you could just engage a mob and afk till he wins. Far too OP for a trust. Mmm-hmm. On a more serious note though, he would be kinda cool even though he's a jerk and I hate his jerk face. Razfahd is a Blue Mage and that's the whole reason he can't be emperor. As I recall it wasn't his choice though, he had to get a lamia blood transfusion or something as a kid to save his life.

Back on the topic of no blu trusts, there's technically no summoner trusts either. Even though there's 2 karaha-baruha. Aphmau is a pup but you'd never know by her trust. Mehg is the only DRG trust we have and I can't remember if she even uses jumps. Every other polearm using Trust is a pld.

Aren't Shikaree Z and Flaviria (Unity) both DRG who use jumps? There wont ever be trusts who use pets, so I don't expect a SMN trust who does actual summoner stuff.

[fantasticdan]

I'm not sure razfahd is actually a blue mage. He had a transplant of monster blood to survive some kind of accident as a kid, but I don't think there was any implication he had the other surgeries a blu would have like putting an ahriman lens in his eye. In the mission fights he only casts white magic like dia/holy/banish.

The lore excuse is really shitty thou. My blue mage character isn't friendly enough with raubahn, but npcs I've never met like ferricous coffin or lhu mhakaracca are fine? And if raubahn is too much of a dick, why not rishfee from the toau mission line? He sure didn't seem like a soulless empty vessel.

[Sechs]

Raubahn is literally immortal so you could just engage a mob and afk till he wins. Far too OP for a trust.

Because Selh'teus and Balamor (or Teodor! Or August! Or many others) aren't OP at all, inorite?
I mean, the fact that lore-wise a certain character is immensely powerful, doesn't necessarily mean that his trust version has to be invincible as well.
I think we can all accept a certain degree of "suspension of disbelief"
(I know you weren't being 100% serious, just took the chance to say this)

Even though there's 2 karaha-baruha.

Two? Think I'm missing something D:
They gave some Fenrir's BPs to him as TP moves, decent compromise if anything.

Aphmau is a pup but you'd never know by her trust.

Technically there's no real DRG, no real BST either.
We could use another buffing COR, another BRD, and another RDM with different AIs.
The ones we have now are different but there's too much in common still. They should tweak things and make them even more specialized than they are now.
The mixed RDM that does a bit of everything, the one that buffs everyone regardless of their job, the one that does only to the master, the one that specializes in buffing, the one that specializes in debuffing/nuking, the one that melees, the one that stays at distance like healers etc.
Things are like this already to a certain degree, but not enough imho.

[Maurauc]

Two? Think I'm missing something D:
They gave some Fenrir's BPs to him as TP moves, decent compromise if anything.

It might do you well to play through the Windurst (S) storyline!
If you really want to know though:

Spoiler: show

Robel-Akbel (the one we know, anyway) is an alternate version of Karaha-Baruha who fails to summon Fenrir at the Siege of Sartuabaruta, causing Windurst to be lost. He travels back in order to help save Windurst in a new timeline

[Sechs]

Oh yeah I knew that much, but it's so different I wasn't really considering him a second version of Karaha-Baruha.
Thought the trust was a BLM/caster? Not a Healer.

Speaking of which, since they whine so much about too many people choosing Apururu's Unity. Well... releasing another WHM who uses Nott and Curaga spells would do wonders to make people pick an unity other than Apururu.
I mean, they can't really be surprised so many people pick her when she's the only one with Curaga spells and one of the few (2? 3 if you consider Pieuje but he's not very efficient with that) who uses Nott with autoregain.

[Kincard]

I mean, Pieuje and Yoran-Oran kind of have niche uses over Apururu, but since you can only have one at any given moment Apururu's the best general choice. I guess they could adjust Cura so that it's not shit and make Pieuje use it, that would probably help him out a bit.

[Sechs]

If Yoran-Oran had curagas I'd prefer him over Apururu any day, thanks to the lack of Haste and the addition of Afflatus Solace (Cureskin).
Have to say Yoran's AI sometimes bugs out though and becomes very slow for a little while. Not sure if this has been fixed and how rare it was to happen but I've personally experienced it a few times.

What's the niche of Pieuje? Sacrifice and Afflatus Misery? Still Pieuje sucked for MP management. Now they made so he will prioritize Nott and I think they also gave him regain so he might be better I suppose... but still no AoE. Your suggestion of giving him Cura makes sense but it would solve nothing in terms of Unity.
If they really want to solve the Unity issue they need to:

1) Make so the max bonus for Unity gear applies to Rank 1-3 and not rank 1 exclusively
2) Add another non-unity trust that has regain, nott and aoe cures.

Make these two adjustments and people will really start to get a lot more freedom when it comes to the unity the choose.

[Fwahm]

On Odin, Apururu hasn't been above rank 3 for a long time; I kind of wish I was on a server where I could have both Apururu and rank 1 unity bonuses.

[dasva]

On shiva lately the number one rank is almost always what was last ranked last week

[Xantavia]

Aren't Shikaree Z and Flaviria (Unity) both DRG who use jumps? There wont ever be trusts who use pets, so I don't expect a SMN trust who does actual summoner stuff.

Think Flavira is drg/war or war/drg. Had no idea what to expect when I first called her with her mixed gear but I've seen her use jump and am about 99% sure I've also seen her 'voke a few times. Extremely useful while leveling rng.

[JeanPaul]

On shiva lately the number one rank is almost always what was last ranked last week

Same on Sylph. I think people are switching to last to get the CP bonus, which would definitely explain where the accolades are coming from.

[Kyreth]

Shikaree is a DRG/WHM- I've seen her jump before, and she'll use Circle if Aerns in Ru'Ann summon a wyvern pet.

[dasva]

Players that already took the time to complete the afterglow effect on their weapon(s), will be rewarded by being able to upgrade in an easier manner through a quest.

We estimate that players with afterglow weapons will be able to upgrade within one hour of starting the quest. Even if you didn't spend the time to create a weapon with an afterglow, we're still offering a method to obtain an afterglow and continue the upgrade process on these legendary weapons, but you’ll still have a great task ahead of you.

Well a little more detail. Afterglowers will pushbutton upgrade while others have a "great task" to complete whatever that means

[Ihina]

I look forward to actually being able to use Mercy Stroke again for a few weeks before I finish the other two daggers.

[wipers]

This will be interesting: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...265#post569265

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I’d like to answer several of your questions about the upcoming upgrades to Relic/Mythic/Empyrean/Ergon weapons.

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Now I'm left with a dilemma, two choices.
1) Finish my one billion + afterglow before the update
2) wait until after the update and reward high end gamers a few mil to finish this new trial if it is battlefiedl/NM based. . . . .

Ultimately this is up to you to decide. We can’t provide specific details on the new steps at this time, so waiting for the upgrades to be implemented is completely your decision. As stated previously, players that have already obtained weapons with an afterglow will have an easier time upgrading to the next phase.

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I don't think I fully understand. It sounds like you're pushing an upgrade that no-one (Afterglow users and non-Afterglow users) is going to be happy with because it'll be cheaper and quicker?
Players that already took the time to complete the afterglow effect on their weapon(s), will be rewarded by being able to upgrade in an easier manner through a quest.

We estimate that players with afterglow weapons will be able to upgrade within one hour of starting the quest. Even if you didn't spend the time to create a weapon with an afterglow, we're still offering a method to obtain an afterglow and continue the upgrade process on these legendary weapons, but you’ll still have a great task ahead of you.

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How is all of this going to work with Ergon weapons, which don't have an Afterglow path?

Is there some kind of currency we should try to be saving/gathering as we approach February?
As you mention, Ergon weapons do not have an afterglow effect. Players seeking to upgrade their Ergon weapon will have to clear a number of objectives along with the other players who do not possess a weapon with an afterglow.

If we were to provide the methods for upgrading Relic/Mythic/Empyrean/Ergon weapons this would certainly affect player behavior, and as such, we cannot offer this information yet.

I don't like the sound of this one bit. Incoming farm 10 10,000 byne bills or something crazy. That or farm 1000 marrows.

[geno3302]

I don't like the sound of this one bit. Incoming farm 10 10,000 byne bills or something crazy. That or farm 1000 marrows.

10 10,000 byne bills is still easier, cheaper, and faster than 250 marrow ;p
1000 marrows doesn't make sense since that's already 4 afterglows.

I was working on relic afterglow, I could do 1 ADL per hour on SMN solo so the whole thing basically takes 250 hours more or less.
Mythic afterglow was about 1.2 billion gil worth of mulcibar on my server and farming them takes an eternity compared to ADL, PW is also significantly harder than ADL. Though with GEO hax you can easily laugh off astral flow now, so probably easier if you have one of those.
Empyrean is practically impossible at this point which makes me a sad taru.

If they make the quests proportional to their afterglow trials then I'd be worried. If Relic takes 10 hours, Mythic should easily take 50 and Empyrean won't get done until the universe dies. That said I'm happy I'll be able to afterglow Hvergelmir I was grumpy that I'd have to settle for 2/3 afterglows

[wipers]

10 10,000 byne bills is still easier, cheaper, and faster than 250 marrow ;p
1000 marrows doesn't make sense since that's already 4 afterglows.

I was working on relic afterglow, I could do 1 ADL per hour on SMN solo so the whole thing basically takes 250 hours more or less.
Mythic afterglow was about 1.2 billion gil worth of mulcibar on my server and farming them takes an eternity compared to ADL, PW is also significantly harder than ADL. Though with GEO hax you can easily laugh off astral flow now, so probably easier if you have one of those.
Empyrean is practically impossible at this point which makes me a sad taru.

If they make the quests proportional to their afterglow trials then I'd be worried. If Relic takes 10 hours, Mythic should easily take 50 and Empyrean won't get done until the universe dies. That said I'm happy I'll be able to afterglow Hvergelmir I was grumpy that I'd have to settle for 2/3 afterglows

Agree with the emp part they implement a weapon that very few people take past 1500 heavy metal plates. Realize what a effort it is to get 1500 then don't do anything about it !

[wipers]

I'm curious how the Japanese will respond to all this. If they complain along with US/EU maybe just maybe they won't give us non after glow people something that isn't insane to complete...who am I kidding this is SE !