Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Byrthnoth]

Lakshmi has 104 on the AH right now and another 7 in bazaars.

The main problem with farming Voidwatch is that your rewards *are* directly proportional to the number of people you're bringing and server populations are low. If you're triboxing 6 Mortas, you will average 0.7 Riftcinder, 2.3 HMP, and 0.3 Riftdross per round. You'll also get about 80 pieces of NPCable crap. On Lakshmi, that's worth ~1 mil and you can probably do it every 30 minutes, making 2mil/hr. For an individual, or even a dualboxer, it's really not worth the time it takes.

However, if you're controlling 18 characters instead, you pull down 12mil/hr. If you automate the incredibly simple fights, you pull down 12mil/hr while afk. If you're on a server where there are over 1000 HMPs on the AH, you're probably on a server where someone has automated the fights.

[Draylo]

Yeah that is true, the more you have the more profit you get (which is true for many things in this game.) My main point was that SE won't adjust this because if you bring 18 people that already will boost the supply. They are afraid to increase drops due to that I guess but they don't realize nobody farms it much. Not outside of this campaign at least, so many are doing it right now which is funny as its not hard to cap lights. Not much you can really do, but if you want it that bad it isn't impossible to farm.

[Fwahm]

It's not hard to cap lights, but with how cheap displacers are and how strong DDs are, it multiplies the time per fight several times over.

[dasva]

Lakshmi has 104 on the AH right now and another 7 in bazaars.

The main problem with farming Voidwatch is that your rewards *are* directly proportional to the number of people you're bringing and server populations are low. If you're triboxing 6 Mortas, you will average 0.7 Riftcinder, 2.3 HMP, and 0.3 Riftdross per round. You'll also get about 80 pieces of NPCable crap. On Lakshmi, that's worth ~1 mil and you can probably do it every 30 minutes, making 2mil/hr. For an individual, or even a dualboxer, it's really not worth the time it takes.

However, if you're controlling 18 characters instead, you pull down 12mil/hr. If you automate the incredibly simple fights, you pull down 12mil/hr while afk. If you're on a server where there are over 1000 HMPs on the AH, you're probably on a server where someone has automated the fights.

Are those rates from when people used cells? Cause that will certainly add time both in more trading (though if automated guess that doesn't matter much) and converting the cruor you have to buy more cells. Plus might have to consider the potential value the cruor you are using has might just be better to blinkers (not huge amount but adds up)

I've been triboxing morta a bit lately not automated per se but using automatons so sort of I guess lol. And that's about the speed I go (little slower since lolpup) but my drops are similar but a tad lower... like more like .5-.6 cinder and more like 2-2.2ish HMP though that is super streaky (like got 0 on all characters in 1 round of 6 then got 6 in 2 kills)

As far as lights go kind of depends on the jobs you got but yeah a lot of it is more about time really. Friggin durdle forever doing lights solo

[Byrthnoth]

Those numbers were from ffxidb.

[dasva]

Yeah figured so probably a decent mix of cell and no cell

[wipers]

What server are you on, to only have 2 on the AH during VW campaign? On Odin, there are currently about 1650 heavy metal plates on the AH right now, as well as >1000 more in bazaars.

I'm on Phoenix.

There is about 200 if you count Bazaar but they are listed at 110,000 each...

Phoenix is dead it needs to be merged.

[Trumpy]

Can you make the different teleport points not be surrounded by aggressive monsters? #5 in particular has a lot of them.
If you don’t move at all after warping in, you should not be aggroed by any monsters. Players must be careful not to mistake monsters not loading in yet for there not being any monsters at all.

Man wtf are they thinking. They seem more than willing to adjust stuff like this in the past that weren't even a problem really. I cant remember what porter it was but when I was collecting these for the first time and it took me like 30 mins to not be under constant barrage of misquitos to use the tele or sneak/invis. Everytime i got one close to dead another was spawned right next to porter and agroing, at most i had maybe 4 seconds reprieve between fights trying to get out of there.

[Damane]

they actually adjusted them in the last update soooo

[PSOfanatic]

What kind of computer setup would you need to run 18 accounts though? I mean...that seems incredibly excessive. I get lag at 4 accounts. This would be interesting to do though. Granted, no way in hell do I have the $230ish a month to pay for that kind of thing.

[dasva]

Man wtf are they thinking. They seem more than willing to adjust stuff like this in the past that weren't even a problem really. I cant remember what porter it was but when I was collecting these for the first time and it took me like 30 mins to not be under constant barrage of misquitos to use the tele or sneak/invis. Everytime i got one close to dead another was spawned right next to porter and agroing, at most i had maybe 4 seconds reprieve between fights trying to get out of there.

Probably was 5. It's right between the water and a hill of mosquitos going up to well more mosquitos.

They are actually wrong in this you can actually aggro them without moving. I did it just yesterday. Though it doesn't seem often in fact I think it's only at night when beetles also spawn maybe pushing some of the mosquitos around. That said you can't move much without getting aggro in either direction at night. Move the other way towards the water to avoid the squitos and those dark fairies will aggro you from across the river.

[Jem]

Well you could run XI on some old shitty computer you could set-up for peanuts so you wouldn't have to physically run 18 accounts on the same system. If it's automated you could probably do it off 2-3 computers set up for like $100-150 each on shit tier settings (because who cares about lag or what it looks like when you're not actually playing yourself).

Some people may even have them laying around already. I know I have 3 laptops sat in my house right now which are all 5-10 years old but comfortably run multiple FFXI instances. I mean if my 5 year old laptop can run XIV, it can definitely run quite a few XI clients.

[fantasticdan]

I dunno about that, FFXI seems more taxing on modern CPUs than FFXIV lol.

[Jem]

Well I know for a fact I can run 4 instances on this laptop without an issue. And I know it throws a hissy fit if I try run XIV and something else (well it lags). Sometimes it throws a fit if I tab out of XIV (even in windowed mode) then tab back in forcing me to restart just to be playable.

But my laptop isn't exactly modern lol

[Trumpy]

@ Damane I know they adjusted mobs around the ??? to pop nms but i never saw in update notes anything about near the teleporters, but maybe i will need to recheck it to see.

[Lolwutt]

can run 18 chars on 2 ~$400 pcs easily

problem with the 'automated vw' theory is that you can kill over 20 pops an hour if your automation is decent and unless your 18 characters are also several years old, you're not going to be easily getting any worthwhile amount of voiddust to do it with

even if they are several years old, a few hours a day throughout the campaign will empty stones pretty quick then you have no meaningful amount for the next campaign

not saying emps are unobtainable atm, if you transfer servers and buy up you shouldn't have too much problem, but a dedicated vw farm isn't very sustainable and i certainly wouldn't want to be working on an afterglow right now

[wipers]

Yeah that is true, the more you have the more profit you get (which is true for many things in this game.) My main point was that SE won't adjust this because if you bring 18 people that already will boost the supply. They are afraid to increase drops due to that I guess but they don't realize nobody farms it much. Not outside of this campaign at least, so many are doing it right now which is funny as its not hard to cap lights. Not much you can really do, but if you want it that bad it isn't impossible to farm.

They don't want to admit that as it is now Voidwatch isn't worth the time to reward ratio. The time put in doesn't produce enough heavy metal plates to be worthwhile.

As far as "disrupting balance" that is there standard go to when they don't want to fix something.

With the current population of all but maybe a few servers (last time someone did a 18 man VW btw) this is a joke of a response:

"Voidwatch drops are placed into individual loot pools, and drops increase greatly with more participants.

Increasing the drop rates at this time will upset the balance between supply and demand, and it is possible this will result in balance issues.

As far as all Relic/Mythic/Empyrean/Ergon weapons go, we’ve reduced the hurdles for participation, but we have not increased the amount of progress gained per encounter. This is dependent on the policy related to these weapons.

On a side note, we have increased the chances of obtaining these items through key items and campaigns"

[pancakesandsex]

Oh goodie, they are making an item which will let us warp to reisenjima.
An item.
Which goes in your inventory.
...

[Sumy]

Why cant they just add an HP Crystal to the Sanctorum? - I spent a whole 8 seconds to come up with that.

[Damane]

Why cant they just add an HP Crystal to the Sanctorum? - I spent a whole 8 seconds to come up with that.

because they are reaching the maximum number of HP Crystals they can add or so. They explained it somewhere 1-2 months ago or so