Dev Tracker: Discussion

[vivbiibasjiu]

It might still be 1:1 when you think about it because their wording was very vague and "more efficient" could simply be referring to the fact that Pet: Accuracy gear tends to come with a larger number than Summoning skill gear, so for example it would be more efficient to equip one ring with Pet: Accuracy 30 than 2 rings with Summoning skill +15 (these are just example numbers/example equipment)

Of course a lot of stuff you would bloodpact in already has summoning skill on it so it doesn't hurt to squeeze it in where you can as long as you don't make huge sacrifices for it

I doubt the conversion rate is lower than 0.9 = 1, from what I've experienced.

[Viar]

Could always incorporate the cor into the skillchain...

No pt lead ever do that So I'm left on my own and roll afk

Speaking of which, I've been wondering if incorporate leaden into death SC rotation and have WS close darkness would nerf subsequent death MB due to resist mechanics.

[dasva]

Hmmm looks like they've somewhat solved invent loading delays (at least a little bit) so guess wardrobe 2 is on it's way

[Kincard]

I'm out and can't post a translation till later, but I figure I'll report some good news for you DRKs: Matsuis post claims new Apoc is JA haste.

[FaeQueenCory]

!!
I knew it!

Why would they go through the trouble of pimping out all the Relic's AM... yet keep the one that's basically impossible now-a-days to use? (As in, there's not a real, functional way to get less than.... I think it was 26% or 28%? in just any full 119 heavy armor set. I mean... you could TP in Argosy pieces.... but.... no.)

A shame they pimped out Relics, the easiest to make of the three Relic-style, and yet didn't open them up to post-RotZ jobs....
Das wäre nett.

[Byrthnoth]

DRKs auto-cap JA Haste due to Desperate Blows whenever Last Resort is up, which is >72% of the time if they're using their JAs properly. Changing it to JA Haste is arguably a downgrade. What DRK needed was for it to be a unique haste category.

[Kincard]

Eh, having it do something 20% of the time is still better than 0% of the time I'd say.

Also Last Resort can be dispelled!

Don't ruin the moment with reality Byrth, Apoc DRKs gotta take what they can get.

[Hitou]

DRKs auto-cap JA Haste due to Desperate Blows whenever Last Resort is up, which is >72% of the time if they're using their JAs properly. Changing it to JA Haste is arguably a downgrade. What DRK needed was for it to be a unique haste category.

DRKs full cap haste anytime you'd use one, which is solo with trusts. So any kind of haste AM is useless.

[Damane]

DRKs full cap haste anytime you'd use one, which is solo with trusts. So any kind of haste AM is useless.

i think the JA haste AM has alot of uses. lets not pretend that there arent dispel spaming mobs out there! (Even then there are uses to it)

[Jem]

Is there actually a time where you would ever want to use a Scythe DRK though? That's a serious question. I've always been a career DRK and have just returned so would love there to be a reason for me to use it but from what everyone has told me it's bottom of the barrel now. Even more so with Scythe due to lackluster WS damage.

I mean I guess Scythe has some nice skillchain options but that's about it.

[Byrthnoth]

Is there actually a time where you would ever want to use a Scythe DRK though?

Nope, not really. My impression is that if SE had made Apocalypse 10% Haste that bypassed the Haste cap, DRK would have been about as good as a 1H melee and they would be best off not WSing.

Currently 1H weapon WSs hit harder than 2H weapon WSs. 1H DPS (and Acc, thanks to offhand) is generally higher than 2H DPS. 2H wins out in the WS frequency department, but that incurs a substantial penalty due to the 2 seconds of WS delay associated with any given WS.

[Fwahm]

Lots of 119 heavy armor combos actually don't put you at 25% haste if you don't use the waist slot for haste, actually. 5/5 Yorium, Acro, Odyssean, and Valorous all put you at 22%, for example.

[vivbiibasjiu]

"Defending Ring is not affected by Treasure Hunter"

About time, now people can finally stop arguing with me about this.

[dasva]

"Defending Ring is not affected by Treasure Hunter"

About time, now people can finally stop arguing with me about this.

Well I mean there was literally no proof so arguing either way that one or the other was the case was retarded. But grats on getting lucky

In other news ah yeah we get to know the ages of our storyline lolis

[Byrthnoth]

Eh, everyone has been saying D-ring isn't affected by TH for years because the slot is 100% (Pixie or D-ring). People go THF to Behemoth's Dominion for the sake of Savory Shanks (15% TH3 vs. 8% TH0), not for D-ring.

[Dotsudoku]

Well I mean there was literally no proof so arguing either way that one or the other was the case was retarded. But grats on getting lucky

In other news ah yeah we get to know the ages of our storyline lolis

There was no logical reason to believe TH worked differently for this mob in particular

[geno3302]

People go THF to Behemoth's Dominion for the sake of Savory Shanks (15% TH3 vs. 8% TH0), not for D-ring.

If only that were true

[dasva]

There was no logical reason to believe TH worked differently for this mob in particular

Was there any real testing of TH on mobs with shared 100% slot nms like this?

[Jem]

FFXIDB would probably be your best bet. It does differentiate between the TH on the mob but doesn't state how many kills for each level of TH. So like for Defending Ring it actually has 3.1% for TH0 and 5.1% for TH3+ so you'd assume the TH0 was a small sample size.

I'd guess Ix'Aern would be a decent benchmark since you can hold multiple Deeds so there wouldn't be a no drop unless you had the Vice in your invent.

[Byrthnoth]

If you hover it does state how many kills for each level.

TH0: 227 kills 3.1% +/- 4.0%
TH3: 7600 kills 5.1% +/- 0.71%