Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Hitou]

"player testing is unreliable"

lol ok

I had to do a search in the other thread to see who said that. I guess I glossed over it. But yeah, that player is dumb. I'd prefer someone asked a question that was harder for players to actually test.

Also who is actually losing wyverns without dying themselves these days? I don't know how it's possible with all the ways you can keep it alive now. If there's enough aoe damage to kill a wyvern you're probably dead on drg too. I'd prefer some way to get the timer lower if you die rather than wyvern's being even harder to kill. Maybe a wyvern with weakness on a 5 min recast? Eh whatever no one cares about drg.

[Tarage]

Why would people complain about that Apogee change? I do not understand...

[Sechs]

I dunno, I reckon there are some circumstances where it could've been worse than the current one, but overall it seemed better to me?

[dasva]

Look at the smn threads on the OF. There is like a 7 page thread about how sad they are they didn't get a bigger buff last update. Forget the fact they keep getting buffs that they get distance buff at same time bst got a distance nerf.... nope smn is useless and needs more more more. No one would every want a smn in their pt... except ya know all those smns being used in the highest level of endgame content. It's not enough that they make it so apogee let's you double up on both types of pacts no they want it to reset AND make it do what it does currently... oh and remove the increased cost. I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't ask for a full time sp2 lol

[Miroku_Asura]

What bothers me is that it feels like a lot of the people complaining about the ability didn't fully read the phrasing of the adjustment:

reset the cool down timers of Blood Pact: Rage and Blood Pact: Ward.

So instead of being able to do two BPs back to back (what we have right now), you could potentially do 4 with the adjustment (Rage + Ward, Apogee, Rage+Ward) if it did in fact reset both timers. People are fucking stupid.

[Tarage]

I mean, yeah, I get that a lot of wards are useless. At least they are giving us SOMETHING. Or were giving us something. Now the idiots have argued away a nice change in favor of... nothing.

This is why I got banned from the OF.

[Damane]

If you arent banned from the OFs you are doing something wrong! I got banned like 2 years ago

[Silenka]

Wait. Wait. They're actually rescinding the Apogee change? WHY

I did look at the smn thread on the OF. It's full of whiny bitchy idiots.

[Tarage]

Wait. Wait. They're actually rescinding the Apogee change? WHY

I did look at the smn thread on the OF. It's full of whiny bitchy idiots.

Most of the whining I saw was "Yeah that's fine BUT OUR BUFFS SUCK YO".

I don't honestly for a second believe it got shut down because of the English side. I wonder what pointless bitching occurred on the Japanese side...

[Tachi]

Apogee as it is now can be used/kept before the start of a battle in order to be re-used earlier after, the change would have rendered this trick no longer possible.
It would have also made more difficult the aptitude to solo a skillchain with 2 different avatars (Predator Claws > Flaming Crush for example), the timing is already tight with a capped Fast Cast set without having to use a JA in between BPs.
The new version of Apogee would have required to anticipate a little more the risks of having its avatar getting stun/sleep/amnesia/terror/petri/ko'd at the wrong moment.
Being able to do another ward BP isn't that game changing as it sounds if you take into account the fact that most avatars have only one useful ward BP (and not always a useful rage BP to pair with it), the time it can take to switch to a different avatar and the number of situations where rage and ward BPs don't share the same recast timer.
All these concerns were discussed on the japanese forum.

[Ophannus]

Meanwhile, Monks were asking on the JP forum to have the old Footwork back? I don't understand this playerbase.

[dasva]

Meanwhile, Monks were asking on the JP forum to have the old Footwork back? I don't understand this playerbase.

Probably nostalgia for the old OA2-4 h2h footwork builds... and back when kick attack base dmg wasn't garbage

[Sechs]

It didn't last long but it was pretty fucking badass!

[dasva]

all worlds emergency maintenance in mhaura and ambuscade zone... wonder what is up and why they fixing it this close to the end

[Hitou]

Donno. Seemed normal when I did it tonight. Unless mechanics we thought were normal are actually bugs, like when demon gets too far from taur and taur goes into crazy tail swing mode, I can't think of any reason for maint.

[dasva]

Yeah but why now with only 3 days left on it? And what would effect mhaura too?

[arus2001]

Wouldn't be surprised if people were getting put in the wrong zones, possibly with other active groups.

[dasva]

Actually had something like that happen to me in very hard AAGK the other day. I get in and for some reason wont let me summon trusts. Well that's weird run to the battle area and I see a party of dead people. Few seconds later they disappear and I can summon trusts

[Trumpy]

Did they say on the JP side what they fixed? they dont tell us anything anymore! Everything seemed exactly the same to me except the zone seemed way laggier than usual.

[dasva]

Did they say on the JP side what they fixed? they dont tell us anything anymore! Everything seemed exactly the same to me except the zone seemed way laggier than usual.

Just looked and it looks like they did. It seems like the queuing system was basically making it impossible to do legion or something