Dev Tracker: Discussion

[Treize Kordero]

Where? I'm not seeing them.

Maybe the JP side?

[Draylo]

Yeah the JP side, something about a mithra shield stance and DNC being used in parties?

[Byrthnoth]

The DNC post is saying that they recognize that DNC has a harder time getting into parties than jobs with a more focused purpose. They're trying to address the issue but want to see the effects of the Waltz patch before they do any more. The last sentence makes it sound like they're going to increase step potency for DNC main job.

[dasva]

matsyas and shaper shawl were horrible horrible horrible thing, never shall SE introduce somethign like that ever again ¬.¬. I wanted to go shoot myself when I went to farm my own shaper shawl via matsya fishing.

Yeah if I had known people were going to sell them low enough that I could make the gil and buy them 5 times as fast as catching I would've waited. Of course now they have gone back up to about what the opportunity cost is

[Damane]

The DNC post is saying that they recognize that DNC has a harder time getting into parties than jobs with a more focused purpose. They're trying to address the issue but want to see the effects of the Waltz patch before they do any more. The last sentence makes it sound like they're going to increase step potency for DNC main job.

increased step potency would be very welcome, and depending on the potency of the steps a nice addition to any ally and for any pt on top to haste samba. However i would also add another 2-3 sambas while SE is addressing DNC. Maybe a Tier II to haste samba and an introduction to a new Defensiv Samba that adds some form of DT or so and another offensiv Samba when haste is allready caped (somethign like a crit hit rate + samba)

however if the step boost is introduced in the wrong way it might backfire. They really need to enhance the first step debuff potency greatly (more then what they did in the past), while the follow up steps are a nice addition

[dasva]

They really need to enhance pretty much every debuff potency players get that actually lands on mobs lol

[Prothescar]

Every day that passes I am more disappoint that there isn't a dev post regarding a H2H weapon nerf or every other weapon ever buff ):

I mean seriously, let's observe the facts.




This is a graph showing the relative DPS of every relic. See how all the lines converge except for that blue line at the top? That's Spharai with capped Hand to Hand skill and no Martial Arts or anything. This is pretty much mirrored for Empyrean and Mythic weapons as well, probably others too but I can't be bothered. At 75, the highest relic DPS was 13.3, Mandau, with the lowest being Claustrum at 11.077; Spharai was 11.87, pretty much in the middle. At 119, Mandau is lowest at 31.02, highest is Mjollnir at 31.169, very close in other words... except for Spharai. They're at 40.71. 33% higher. This is only assuming capped Hand to Hand skill; no merits, no martial arts, nothing. In order for Spharai to match DPS of other weapons again, it'd need do have D: +71. It has D: +116.

It's kind of ridiculous. This is also ignoring the myriad defensive benefits of MNK as a whole, and on Spharai of course.

[JSHidaka]

Every day that passes I am more disappoint that there isn't a dev post regarding a H2H weapon nerf or every other weapon ever buff ):

I mean seriously, let's observe the facts.




This is a graph showing the relative DPS of every relic. See how all the lines converge except for that blue line at the top? That's Spharai with capped Hand to Hand skill and no Martial Arts or anything. This is pretty much mirrored for Empyrean and Mythic weapons as well, probably others too but I can't be bothered. At 75, the highest relic DPS was 13.3, Mandau, with the lowest being Claustrum at 11.077; Spharai was 11.87, pretty much in the middle. At 119, Mandau is lowest at 31.02, highest is Mjollnir at 31.169, very close in other words... except for Spharai. They're at 40.71. 33% higher. This is only assuming capped Hand to Hand skill; no merits, no martial arts, nothing. In order for Spharai to match DPS of other weapons again, it'd need do have D: +71. It has D: +116.

It's kind of ridiculous. This is also ignoring the myriad defensive benefits of MNK as a whole, and on Spharai of course.

and... since when MNK became the "best job" ? (yea it have an specific date/event...) and before that... mnk was mostly an abyssean job, Salvage JOB coz w/o weapon could still do something, and Spharai was just a trophy, few yrs ago, was Ragnarok's bandwagon, then MNK's bandwagon(Oatixur's mnks)... now could say RNG bandwagon... whats going to be the next one? DNC?!?!

[Damane]

and... since when MNK became the "best job" ? (yea it have an specific date/event...) and before that... mnk was mostly an abyssean job, Salvage JOB coz w/o weapon could still do something, and Spharai was just a trophy, few yrs ago, was Ragnarok's bandwagon, then MNK's bandwagon(Oatixur's mnks)... now could say RNG bandwagon... whats going to be the next one? DNC?!?!

there was never really such a strong bias as it is now considering DDs. yes Ragnarok was a thing, but every other strong melee could compete with it neverthless. However now Mnk is so out of touch with their defensiv ability and the base dmg on their weapons, its absurd. No other melee job offers this amount of dmg coupled with the amount of defensiv stuff mnk offers. I can only agree with prothescar.

[pancakesandsex]

and... since when MNK became the "best job" ? (yea it have an specific date/event...) and before that... mnk was mostly an abyssean job, Salvage JOB coz w/o weapon could still do something, and Spharai was just a trophy, few yrs ago, was Ragnarok's bandwagon, then MNK's bandwagon(Oatixur's mnks)... now could say RNG bandwagon... whats going to be the next one? DNC?!?!

Dnc bandwagon would be more of a conga line imo.

[Darkmagi]

Really depends on the content, there is honestly nothing that MNK excels at as a DD at the moment. The only relevant fight that I'd even use a MNK at would possibly be fulcrum at a lower difficulty. NIN is much more desirable as a DD for anything that requires shadows, THF is relevant due to TH, etc.

[Ophannus]

Yeah but there's also very little content where someone says "We REALLY need a DRK" or "Sorry, we couldn't find any DRKs, gonna loldisband". But then god forbid you try to do any delve without an Oatixur MNK, people whine and complain. No content that MNK excels at but they're basically an integral job now for anything. Funny how SAM DRK and WAR kinda fell to the wayside when Adoulin started(compared to MNK) and MNK and DRG(due to angon) rose in popularity. Nobody really rocked DRG in Legion solely for Angon unless they had Ryu in which case they were a badass DD, now most events have at least one DRG(if people are willing to sacrifice one of their 6 MNK slots -.-)

[gaira]

MNK just has too many good traits and JAs (hp + mantra, formless when required) that it doesn't have to be the best for any given fight, it's usually quite competent and certainly easily enough to gear and play competitively to the other DDs.

[JSHidaka]

So new skirmish armor is "reforged" trading old one.... So we are in the same as new relics armor.... What will happen with the Augments.... I know lot of ppl that used millions to get the desire aug... Could just re-get them again and trade the non augmented ones... But... Meh you can't store them and no real space to have duplicates...

[Anomie]

If you honestly thought for 1 second after seeing the augs be wiped from the weapons, I almost feel bad for you not being able to catch on.

All I can really say about anyone spending millions for DA+2 having them wiped is "haha that sucks dood, should've known better."

On the bright side, you get the lovely pleasure of re-experiencing the joy that is spending millions on the RNG wheel again, if that makes you feel better. Maybe there will be DA+3 this time, and you can spend a hundred million trying for it!

[JSHidaka]

lol.. not for me.. Just stopped @ 3-4% pdt using +1 stones.. hopefully now will be DT!!! -_-

[Sechs]

I spent "only" ~30 mils gil overall on my plenty of skirmish pieces and honestly regret it a lot, but that's just me, because those 30mils were a considerable amount of gil and a "sacrifice".
If someone has infinite gil and has spent 100 mils on them maybe they won't really care.

[Ligray]

One new Dev post about someone wanting skill chains and magic burst RoE objectives, currently they don't have a way of tracking them for now.

[Byrthnoth]

That's some buuuulll sheeeet. If I can write a tracker then they could write a tracker, and I know I could write a tracker.

[Sechs]

Information on the new Skirmish.. looks like it's gonna happen in Outer Ra'Kaznar...

I was expecting T2 Skirmishes in all of the 3 past zones, I'm surprised.
On one hand I'm happy we're getting a new zone, on the other hand I'm sad because I was looking for a chance to see harder versions of the past skirmishes, especially the Ra'la one which I always found to be particularly fun.