Dev Tracker: Discussion

**Sechs** · 2014-02-20 07:38

I'd rather have them optimize the netcode (rewriting it from zero) to better address the communication from client to client passing through server.
That way even the graphic engine would become much less random and more useable and they could unlock framerate and drawdistance, for instance.
Also they could transport some of the additional effects developed for the X360 version over to the PC version (water effects and pseudo-bump mapping, they're both much better in the X360 version, in spite of the terrible framerate)

If they don't fix the code underneath these changes are unrealistic though. Even with my PC (1 year old, but still a pretty tough one) I have issues keeping 60fps capped framerate (with the uncapper) when I go with 2x Oversampling and there are 20+ people on screen all using special effects.
I think in those crowded situations sometimes it even goes under 29fps tbh
This is unreasonable for a game this old, and the real culprit here is imho PSTN-focused netcode.
The client-server-client trasmit too many information? Too many packets? Uncripted way? I'm no expert I dunno, but it's clear it's something about this that generates the lag and slow response of the game (and slowdowns) in those crowded situations.

Take another recent game with thousands better graphic and load more stuff happening on screen, but that in spite of that handles it all in a much smoothier way that a 12years old game.

Of course I'm just saying in general, I'm not expecting them to rewrite fundamental parts of the FFXI code.

@Malithar
Then that's probably where my "dream" came from.
I still don't get completely why you think it's not gonna happen.
I mean, would it be so strange to make basic TH stack somehow with your mainhand weapon and remove the TH+ stat from all the other items in-game? Not like there's many anyway, wouldn't take them much.
That way THF would have the freedom to equip whatever the fuck they want to equip, and devs wouldn't have to bother to upgrade items or release new ones to cope with the (rightful) players' anger concerning TH.
I mean, it would be a problem solved for the players and for them, it's win-win, why wouldn't they want to go that way? Are you implying there could be negative consequences? Something they're afraid of?
But what? I can't see it.

**Damane** · 2014-02-20 08:30

why its not gonna happen? remember the bitching about relics? all gimp player thfs that dont have an ilvl 119 weapon would start bitching because they lost the value in their precious TH great an d can farm thus less "effectevly". and there is quiet alot of them.

the idea is very good and should be implemented, but yeah read above -_-

**Sechs** · 2014-02-20 08:36

I could understand the bitching about "no ilevel weapon" when all casual players could get were ilevel 100/105 weapons, like, almost 1 year ago.
But now that you get 117 from RoE, 115 from WKR, 119 from Skirmish and 119 from 6men Delve too, I don't think that there would be that much bitching, honestly.
Don't even think I'm being too optimistic here.

**Malithar** · 2014-02-20 10:00

I thought it would happen before for sure when they were adding macc to all weapons to fix SCs, added effects, melee Rdms, Blu, Drk, Bst pet lvl, etc. It's a logical fix (as we all seem to agree) for Thf's TH, rather than having to juggle latent effect items that work based on your other gear, bothering with gear period, etc. TH (don't hate me super serious badass Thfs) is essentially a Thf's job. Why not let them gear like any other DD and have it be built into their ilvl so they can focus on being more useful as a DD?

But seeing his response now, it doesn't seem like it's something that's on their mind, for whatever reason that is. I doubt it's because the JPs have already cried "don't nerf meh relic/empy bra!" But as you said, the reason escapes me.

Dev post from today had some decently insightful answers. Woulda been awesome if he had hinted if a Luzaf trust is actually on the way or not though.

**Sechs** · 2014-02-20 10:12

Corsair Trust? That way we can get 4 songs and 2 Cor rolls without mules! Funny lol

**Draylo** · 2014-02-20 11:15

Who is a COR though? lol, that would be cool though. I already think this game looks awesome as far as graphics, once you max it out.

**Ophannus** · 2014-02-20 11:21

Probably gonna be meh at best. Hunter's Roll and maybe Chaos Roll. Doubt he's gonna Double Up either.

**Draylo** · 2014-02-20 11:30

That's true, does the COR during the AF fight do double up? lol Would be interesting at least.

**dasva** · 2014-02-20 12:06

Originally Posted by Shenrien

I would hope that a MMO that has been out for 11 years, going on 12 has been more profitable than any offline title, and more profitable than a MMO that launched 6 months ago. If it wasn't I'd actually be concerned.

I wouldn't really call ff14 6 months old. It's really 3.5 years old with 6 months of it actually being worth playing

**Ophannus** · 2014-02-20 12:09

Didn't think AF COR would use rolls since they're JAs(Maat doesn't use Berserk or Jumps). Does DNC AF lady use player Steps/Flourishes or does she use TP moves with dance names? I think Trusts are the first time seeing NPCs really use player JAs. Old NPCs that helped you in missions/quests had TP moves with similar effects but different names/animations(generic dust cloud for 2hrs, or a TP move that gave 'Boost' or 'Warcry'.

**Damane** · 2014-02-20 13:43

Originally Posted by Draylo

Who is a COR though? lol, that would be cool though. I already think this game looks awesome as far as graphics, once you max it out.

ist Luzaf a corsair no?

**Seha** · 2014-02-20 13:50

He is. And there's Qultada too, but no one cares about him, we want the Blackheart!

**Anoat** · 2014-02-20 14:12

I'm not sure how they would, storyline wise, be able to get you a Luzaf trust? You either go down to Einherjar and ask Odin if Luzaf can come out to play for a minute, or if you've already freed him, ask Altana to send him down from Heaven for a minute?

Or they could just make it a login reward, I guess.

**Prothescar** · 2014-02-20 14:29

story and lore hardly seem to matter when it comes to the current status of an NPC's life

**NynJa** · 2014-02-20 16:43

Considering whenever theres any plot holes, the common reason is "Odin did it", doesnt seem so far fetched that Odin would let Luzaf come play.

**Prothescar** · 2014-02-20 17:37

Nashmeria: Oh I have this piece of ribbon he gave me I wonder what-- oh now it is paper here you can have it.

*You obtain Ciper: Luzaf*

**Damane** · 2014-02-20 17:41

Originally Posted by Prothescar

Nashmeria: Oh I have this piece of ribbon he gave me I wonder what-- oh now it is paper here you can have it.

*You obtain Ciper: Luzaf*

would love to have nashmeria as a Trust PUP controlling 2 matons at the same time! (ovjang and mnejang)

**Tarage** · 2014-02-20 20:50

Originally Posted by Damane

would love to have nashmeria as a Trust PUP controlling 2 matons at the same time! (ovjang and mnejang)

PS2s around the world would catch on fire.

**Kincard** · 2014-02-21 00:04

Originally Posted by NynJa

Considering whenever theres any plot holes, the common reason is "Odin did it"

i don't get why people always act like they've used that to explain more than one problem in the history of the game

I get some people thought WOTG was an asspull (it was more likely they stuck him in to give him a more worldly presence since he's a Prime Avatar and all) but Odin was central to the story in TOAU so that doesn't actually count

**Draylo** · 2014-02-21 00:09

Well he influenced a lot of things in game but he wasn't the answer to everything lol. He was to blame for the Shadow Lord too IIRC.

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