REM Upgrades

[NynJa]

Because it has 0 Avatar MAB and 0 BP Delay Reduction. Those are pretty important, especially the MAB. I'm not sure the boost to attack and the level increase is enough to offset it.

You are aware bp delay caps at -15, unless it has been changed at some point im unaware of

[Nightmarelord]

So i take it my eyes dont deceive me and mythic is once again end all be all? mythic gkt and fudo spam = BOOM BOOM POW? Guess i should stay in retirement until i can be bothered to make one.

[Kidnoftle]

Mythics on the whole shit on their counterparts, but this is not true in all cases. The most powerful weapons in terms of raw dmg potential would be conq and glanz with koga right up there as well.

[dasva]

Huge base dmgs now might also shift some of the mythic ws. At the very least drakesbane will rock again

[NynJa]

I dont know why everyone discounts drakes with 40% dmg increase

[Byrthnoth]

Though some mythics are the undisputed champions, some of them are only the best if you assume free AM3. For instance, Glanzfaust (with free AM3) is the best H2H, but Verth isn't very far behind it (~5% with AM1) and doesn't require you to waste 3 WSs activating AM with Ascetic's Fury. There are going to be a lot of situations where Verth is going to be the better weapon. Spharai is worse than both of them (and Oatixurs in high buff situations), but it gives Counter +14. There are times when that defensive trade might be worth it.

This is what I see in terms of damage for each job:

Undisputed damage champions: Conqueror, Ryunohige, Kenkonken, Laevatienn, Tupsimati (these don't even need AM), Kogarasumaru (AM is easily maintainable), probably Nirvana
Best with AM3: Glanzfaust, Terpsichore, Tizona, Aymur, Vajra, Nagi
Could do the best damage with AM3 if they were ever used that way: Murgleis, Burtgang, Yagrush, Carnwenhan, Death Penalty
Outclassed by alternatives even with AM3: Gastraphetes
I don't feel like comparing Scythe to GS: Liberator

Obviously you need to consider how easily jobs can maintain AM3 when further sorting these out into which ones are really feasible to use in a given situation. I've bolded the ones that are easiest to maintain 300 TP with. These jobs all have substantial instant or passive TP generation (Jumps, Meditate, No Foot Rise / Reverse Flourish). Additionally, maintaining AM2 on Laev/Tupsimati is also probably pretty simple with Occult Acumen.

[Nightmarelord]

Ty. As usual your posts rock. One thing. is yoichi fully upgraded worth a shit, or is it out classed by that other bow ive been seeing float around that does not give namas?

Though some mythics are the undisputed champions, some of them are only the best if you assume free AM3. For instance, Glanzfaust (with free AM3) is the best H2H, but Verth isn't very far behind it (~5% with AM1) and doesn't require you to waste 3 WSs activating AM with Ascetic's Fury. There are going to be a lot of situations where Verth is going to be the better weapon. Spharai is worse than both of them (and Oatixurs in high buff situations), but it gives Counter +14. There are times when that defensive trade might be worth it.

This is what I see in terms of damage for each job:

Undisputed damage champions: Conqueror, Ryunohige, Kenkonken, Laevatienn, Tupsimati (these don't even need AM), Kogarasumaru (AM is easily maintainable), probably Nirvana
Best with AM3: Glanzfaust, Terpsichore, Tizona, Aymur, Vajra, Nagi
Could do the best damage with AM3 if they were ever used that way: Murgleis, Burtgang, Yagrush, Carnwenhan, Death Penalty
Outclassed by alternatives even with AM3: Gastraphetes
I don't feel like comparing Scythe to GS: Liberator

Obviously you need to consider how easily jobs can maintain AM3 when further sorting these out into which ones are really feasible to use in a given situation. I've bolded the ones that are easiest to maintain 300 TP with. These jobs all have substantial instant or passive TP generation (Jumps, Meditate, No Foot Rise / Reverse Flourish). Additionally, maintaining AM2 on Laev/Tupsimati is also probably pretty simple with Occult Acumen.

[Byrthnoth]

Yoichi is going to be better than Echidna's Bow. Annihilator will be similarly awesome.

People were using Yoichi/Anni for the boss fights purely for strategic reasons anyway. All this means is that they're going to do a lot more damage, but the boost is probably not enough to break them out of their roles (as near-hateless damage sources).

[NynJa]

I'm pretty sure an ilvl116 yoich will merc anything out there. I mean people were using 99 yoich's over what else was out there.

[dasva]

Has xbows snapshot even been properly determined?

[Byrthnoth]

Has xbows snapshot even been properly determined?

Nope. Windower is broken on the test server because SE changed something about the chat log signature to accommodate the new UI (you crash if you try to generate any text with windower), so testing is pretty hard right now and I'm too lazy to do it. It's worth noting that the Snapshot trait is not listed as being upgraded between 75 and 99.

[dasva]

So gasp is more of a big question mark. Maybe I'll make one so I can test it for fun lol. Speaking snapshot wonder if it's additive or multiplicative with sp2

[Kidnoftle]

Any other groups out there do a round-a-bout last night w/ the t6s? Looking for information regarding TH used, mob killed, and hq message on entry with respect to your total REM upgrade drops. Outside NMs count as well for pertinent info, just specify whether it was in fracture or not.

[Warusha]

Additionally, maintaining AM2 on Laev/Tupsimati is also probably pretty simple with Occult Acumen.

Depends on how much support you're getting. In the past I've usually been able to rotate AM2, 2 non-vidohunir ws, save up AM2 with no issues. That's with no support and your average amount of aspirable enemies. Accuracy will be even less of an issue now, so I see it being np to get the last few tp to get near 299 right before AM2 wears. I will say it takes a lot more concentration than any other style of play on BLM.

With the paradigm being switched to spamming lower tiered spells typically, I am afraid it'll require being up closer- for longer during tp phase than in the past.

[Kyreth]

So, do people think we're going to start seeing people require RME's to do content with their group/alliance, or will the Delve weaponry still be in the right range to go with it?

[dasva]

So, do people think we're going to start seeing people require RME's to do content with their group/alliance, or will the Delve weaponry still be in the right range to go with it?

I think it will be awhile before much of the player base is going to upgrade anything.

[noodles355]

Gastraphetes already had higher DPS than Annihilator before Aldoulin even without the snapshot (assuming best available ammo in both cases). That was true at 75 and 99. It only lost to annihilator because it didn't have coronach, on paper it should have higher damage potential than Anni.

[Kidnoftle]

So, do people think we're going to start seeing people require RME's to do content with their group/alliance, or will the Delve weaponry still be in the right range to go with it?

I bet in like a month or two (if anyone is still playing this or if the 600 people per server actually do some grinding) riftboulders and beitetsu will be moderately priced. I'm somewhat at a loss as to what theyre worth. I figure 400k/per is about the best I can do until the linen type pouches are confirmed (0/8 seeing them on t6s w/ at least TH9 on all of them). That all being said, there's really no reason to require these weapons. It's not as if we got so much new and hard content that we need to rethink our general strats/gear yet. This is part of the reason why I can't really bring myself to grind out 2 of my empys and 1 relic at the moment.

[Snprphnx]

every number i see has Anni coming out ahead of Gastra. how are you doing your dps math?

[Fiendishone]

So is Death Penalty that much better now that I've given all my shit away and quit 11 for 14? lol oh well!