Mass Effect: Andromeda (PC/Mac/PS4/XB1)

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[Anoat]

From Sten, in Origins: “Women are priests, artists, and shopkeepers, or farmers. They don’t fight. Why would women ever wish to be men. That makes no sense. A person is born: Qunari, or human, or elven, or dwarf. He doesn’t chose that. Or the size of his hands, or if he is clever or foolish, the land he comes from, the color of his hair. These are beyond his control. We do not choose, we simply are.”

Does that sound like a culture so universally accepting of trans people that they have a word for it in Inquisition?

I'm not saying the message is bad, but pandering is still pandering.

Sten was the only Qunari you talk to in Origins--it could have very easily been his personal opinion. I don't remember anything from the in-game texts or the Qunari from DA2 or Inquisition taking any stance on the matter.

That being said, Iron Bull seemed to be a bit of an outcast in Inquisition, so it's also a possibility that Sten was telling the truth, and Iron Bull's thoughts on the matter aren't shared by the majority of Qunari.

Either way, I don't see it as pandering. *shrug*

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[Obsidian]

Anders (DA2), and Kaiden (ME3), both felt more forced to me than Bull did.

[Krandor]

Who the fuck even had Kaiden alive for 3

[TheDirtyHobo]

Sten was the only Qunari you talk to in Origins--it could have very easily been his personal opinion. I don't remember anything from the in-game texts or the Qunari from DA2 or Inquisition taking any stance on the matter.

That being said, Iron Bull seemed to be a bit of an outcast in Inquisition, so it's also a possibility that Sten was telling the truth, and Iron Bull's thoughts on the matter aren't shared by the majority of Qunari.

Either way, I don't see it as pandering. *shrug*

"Women don't fight" isn't really an opinion, it's a statement of fact about their culture. But in Inquisition, they have female qunari warriors. It's retconning, that much is undeniable.

A message of acceptance isn't bad, by any means, but dumping on established lore is. What I don't like it's how heavy-handed and lacking in nuance it is.

[Obsidian]

Who the fuck even had Kaiden alive for 3

Yo, Ashley was an alien-hating racist and I ain't lettin' no one talk about Liara like that.

And I couldn't have known what a babe they'd make her in ME3.

[TheDirtyHobo]

Honestly I think the meta-narrative of players killing off Ashley en masse because she has a mildly offensive viewpoint and then finding out "oh, she's actually a half-decent character later on, and also pretty hot" in later games is one of the best things they've ever written and it was probably on total accident.

[BadKarma]

Honestly I think the meta-narrative of players killing off Ashley en masse because she has a mildly offensive viewpoint and then finding out "oh, she's actually a half-decent character later on, and also pretty hot" in later games is one of the best things they've ever written and it was probably on total accident.

She has reason to mistrust aliens. Ain't like the aliens loved humans en masse either

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[Rulke]

Who the fuck even had Kaiden alive for 3

I had (have) to main play throughs, so I chose Kaiden for one and Ashley for another. EQUALITY YO!

[Andalusian girls]

She has reason to mistrust aliens. Ain't like the aliens loved humans en masse either

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yehhh the whole Ashley is a space racist meme got stupid play when what she objected to was having so many xenos aboard a cutting edge human military spacecraft. it'd be like inviting a mess of foreign nationals you wanna plow to hang out on your Navy nuclear submarine

also i kept Kaiden alive as renegade femshep just so i could personally shoot his dumb boring face in 3

[Deftscythe]

yehhh the whole Ashley is a space racist meme got stupid play when what she objected to was having so many xenos aboard a cutting edge human military spacecraft. it'd be like inviting a mess of foreign nationals you wanna plow to hang out on your Navy nuclear submarine

also i kept Kaiden alive as renegade femshep just so i could personally shoot his dumb boring face in 3

It's been a long time since I played ME1, but wasn't the whole point that humanity was trying to parley Shepherd's achievement in becoming the first human spectre into a spot on the council? Obviously that gets derailed by Saren and the Reapers, but that was the initial mission of the Normandy iirc. When your goal is to earn your race a leadership position in an inter-species coalition, there's really not a place for any kind of anti-alien sentiment. The alien presence was to add expertise, to prove human willingness for cooperation, and to lend legitimacy in the eyes of the council who, admittedly, were somewhat racist themselves. They weren't just there for Shepherd to bang... at least not in narrative, in term's of game design, well who knows.

[Obsidian]

She was mad they had a bunch of aliens on a high tech Human ship but failed to recognize that the Normandy was co-developed with the Turians so it was never a "Human" ship to begin with.

[Zetanio]

People kept Ashley alive?

What world is this?

[Deftscythe]

She died the true death in my playthrough, but not because of her attitude about aliens. She died because I thought we were buddies and then suddenly she's like "So, what are we? Where do you see this going?" Can't keep crazy around like that.


Unless it's Jack.

[Zetanio]

She died the true death in my playthrough, but not because of her attitude about aliens. She died because I thought we were buddies and then suddenly she's like "So, what are we? Where do you see this going?" Can't keep crazy around like that.


Unless it's Jack.

Couldn't agree more. Jack is my speed of crazy. Ashley got smoked ASAP.

[Deftscythe]

Fatal Attraction crazy vs Cheryl from Archer crazy.

[Andalusian girls]

Kaiden is the most boring man alive you guys probably kept Carth in your party and romanced Jaheira as you drove to your office job in a toyota camry eating vanilla ice cream before having missionary sex with your basic wife

[Deftscythe]

I will take bland and unobtrusive over aggressive and clingy any day.

[Anoat]

Practical Shepard leaves Ashley behind all the time. Who do yo sacrifice? The Biotic Officer with command experience, or the self admitted "just a grunt with a rifle"? We got a galaxy to save, man.

I have a file where I saved Ashley and her most amusing moment is getting drunk on the Normandy in ME3.