The Official Forum fail thread: This game wasn't meant for alts.

[Sho]

Maybe I missed this, but can you get Atma on a lowbie job? At least it would take away from the suffering.

[Kincard]

No. You have to do it at 50, while wearing the Zenith.

After the atma part you need to grind out like 12000 mythology or some shit btw

I honestly don't get why anybody could defend this in a game that is pay-to-play and has vertical progression, this weapon's going to be worthless in a few months so games like this should have a slash-and-burn philosophy with the items. People invested time into relics in XI because they were the best, in here there's no discernible reason to bother (it's not even like WoW where it's a item packed with lore, they didn't even have a page with a few blurbs like they had for relics in 1.0), and you know they'll have to ease up the earlier quests down the line because it would be impractical to stack it up forever.

[OWS_Tonx]

From what I understand the relics will continue to be upgradable throughout the next couple patches until the weapon reaches "zodiark" level

[Raldo]

Since this has now become the "ask questions about atma and shit" thread... I haven't been able to log on yet, so this is hopefully an easy question -- can you have multiple relic upgrades flagged at the same time?

[Seravi Edalborez]

Since this has now become the "ask questions about atma and shit" thread... I haven't been able to log on yet, so this is hopefully an easy question -- can you have multiple relic upgrades flagged at the same time?

The atma part is not job-specific. When you have all 12 Atmas you can (presumably, haven't made it this far) pick your relic to continue with.

[Kincard]

It's not even a quest, technically. The game just checks if you have a zenith equipped (and if you talked to the guy that tells you about atmas) and then you'll have a chance of an atma dropping after a FATE. The items arn't unique IIRC so you can even get multiples of one atma I'm guessing.

[TheDirtyHobo]

No. You have to do it at 50, while wearing the Zenith.

After the atma part you need to grind out like 12000 mythology or some shit btw

I honestly don't get why anybody could defend this in a game that is pay-to-play and has vertical progression, this weapon's going to be worthless in a few months so games like this should have a slash-and-burn philosophy with the items. People invested time into relics in XI because they were the best, in here there's no discernible reason to bother (it's not even like WoW where it's a item packed with lore, they didn't even have a page with a few blurbs like they had for relics in 1.0), and you know they'll have to ease up the earlier quests down the line because it would be impractical to stack it up forever.

Motherfucker you made a Nagi. You don't get to bitch about things that are useless and take a long time to do.

[Kincard]

Motherfucker you made a Nagi. You don't get to bitch about things that are useless and take a long time to do.

my problem isnt so much that they made it grindy and tedious
its that they made it grindy and tedious for weapons that arn't even that good (although betterer versions are to come)
at least in xi when you made REMs they were "supposedly" top tier weapons in intent, and they were made with the assumption theyll stay pretty much the same forever, whereas this is a game where stuff gets outdated once every few months
even ignoring that im a bit insulted that this quest was so transparent in its grindiness, theres not even any interesting lore attached, it really is just a guy going "lol amazing weapons go kill shit"

i dunno, maybe its just my intense hatred of FATE grinding talking

[arus2001]

i dunno, maybe its just my intense hatred of FATE grinding talking

I'd lean toward this. As someone that certainly wants more solo-friendly progressive content in my MMOs, FATEs are a ship one can sail on to get that. While I agree they could overall use some improvement compared to what I'd experienced prior to 2.1, knowing you can still grow without being at the mercy of a strict schedule or large group of people is a wonderful thing to have. Of course, the trick is to not make the shit too grindy or even too inferior to the "must have" equivalent the other types desire, as you just risk creating content nobody would want to do anyway. Coincidentally, that's how I viewed Relics in XI.

[Kari]

Didn't they say Zodiac weapons are always going to be relevant though? I thought they basically were being made with the same premise as RME in XI.

[Lokus]

They are always going to be upgradable but it seems that they won't be the best weapon since SE seems to want to make Allagan weapons slightly better. Though they may surprise me and make the final form 115 instead of 110.

[Valacirca]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...TARs?p=1989161

[Lyall]

Spoiler: show

Delicious tears.

[Niiro]

Don't act like SE isn't gonna up the drop rate in a few weeks.

[Lyall]

My personal hope is that the droprate stays low but the untradable tag falls off. It's just amusing to see so many topics all bitching about the same thing, rather than consolidating for one mega thread. But then you can't get responses to your personal plight and we all know they all have it worse than everyone else for whatever imaginary contrived reasons they've got.

[Rocl]

Don't act like SE isn't gonna up the drop rate in a few weeks.

Resolved an issue wherein only players who dealt the finishing blow/claimed the monster could receive Atma from FATEs.

this is gonna be it

[Kirbyprime]

They're still in denial thinking that the Atma farming is the grind.

[Wulfgang]

They're still in denial thinking that the Atma farming is the grind.

This. I've broken it down in several threads, but it's 13,500 myth for all 9 books for each weapon. That's 36 hours of Brayflox first two boss speed running (50 myth per 8 mins roughly). Then you have to complete the books...

[Niiro]

I would expect that to be nerfed too.

If not, then Yoshi really did want this to act as a ridiculous time sink in the hopes that it'll shut people up about the lack of meaningful content.

Of course it's a bullshit either way because it adds no content, it just has you repeat old content ad nauseam with terrible RNG thrown in because why not.

Shit, some of the least interesting content in the game at that (FATEs). Farming mytho would actually not be awful since it comes from many places and some of the new dungeons are actually kind of fun (I thought Halatali was really cool, Township was a pretty disappointing tho).

[fliprock]

it just bothers me that getting atma/animus offers no challenge, literally everyone can get it. the hardest part of getting a relic to it's strongest so far was doing hard mode primals.