Tree of Savior (spiritual successor to Ragnarok Online)

[Gulkeeva]

Not sure if its jsut me.. but grinding lower level mobs than you... was fast exp.. (not jsut in mass, it was like 5% exp per kill wat) and the mobs are like 5+ levels below me... its like grinding stuff higher than you is a massive exp penalty hit, while stuff lower is massive exp... not sure whats happening maybe its a bug O_o

[SamanosukeShiva]

most likely because of overkill bonus. If you overkill, whatever % overkill, is multiplied by the exp gained. So when some people get blue mob (1000% exp bonus) and they overkill it, usually they get like 2-3 lvl instantly.

But just like any other mmo, it's just the higher your lvl the slowest it is

[SamanosukeShiva]

oh man all sorts of hack for this game already available, and bots, bots everywhere

[Gulkeeva]

most likely because of overkill bonus. If you overkill, whatever % overkill, is multiplied by the exp gained. So when some people get blue mob (1000% exp bonus) and they overkill it, usually they get like 2-3 lvl instantly.

But just like any other mmo, it's just the higher your lvl the slowest it is

Dunno not overkilling these mobs atm.

Also doing Lv90 dungeon solo at Lv90. Takes maybe 15 sec to kill 3-4 mobs at a time... its about 5-8%% exp bar per kill... O_o

Lv 90-> 93 in a few min of the time I made this post edit

[Kachiko]

oh man all sorts of hack for this game already available, and bots, bots everywhere

It's probably why I will end up not playing, and why the game likely won't succeed. in KRO, bots aren't a problem, due to your game ID linked to their SS# equivalent, so if you get banned from one game, the rest can also ban you. This means it isn't designed with bots in mind, so when KRO games come here, the rest of the world goes to town on it. It's going to be a real problem, come release, and I doubt the dev team can do much about it.

[Scythiroth]

oh man all sorts of hack for this game already available, and bots, bots everywhere

Yeah, I saw a topic on reddit about this. Apparently there is basically nothing preventing a huge amount of cheating in the game. No idea if this is just a beta thing or not, but if that makes it into the main game it is going to be quite bad.

[Gulkeeva]

Reminds me of the good ol RO days... bots everywhere as usual

Also, unsure if its jsut me but the "exp to lvl" seems really.. weird to me. Its like the tnl for some levels is high, and some its lower then the last level. I'm already about lv99... soloing (no exp papers or anything) from running that Lv 90 dungeon earlier 5X (excluding boss, because its a pain the ass)

[Gulkeeva]

Did a "mission" in the 2nd town thats like Lv100's ranges.. seemed a bit buggy (nothing could hit me and the bosses had some obscene hp.. probably into the hundreds of thousands ranges (and 2 of them at once). and all I got... was a cup cake hat... ;/

2nd to last mission... gave a shovel... wat
incredibly hard mission, for such crappy items ;/
First boss is a plant that doesn't move but has a 1.5K hitting laser that spins around it faster than normal movement speed, a gauntlet of mobs, and a mine field race against the clock, then a very hard hitting last boss (around 2K+) >.>


edit

a pic during the cup cake boss, its 3 Lv100 bosses (2 at a time, kill one and the third appears) Just a little buggy... sat down to take a nice pic as they posed (way too much hp on the things)

http://www.neko-sentai.com/images14/yup.jpg

[SamanosukeShiva]

Money got nerfed big time, reduction of NPC sell price on almost everything, teleport cost a lot, repair costs a lot.

Time to roll a squire lol

[Biggz]

Looks like the repair cost is a bug. You do get more money from killing mobs tho now.

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[Gulkeeva]

Money got nerfed big time, reduction of NPC sell price on almost everything, teleport cost a lot, repair costs a lot.

Time to roll a squire lol

well at least I did farm some decent amount of gil before that happened >.>

randomly, looks like they are at least attempting to fight against bots.
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/ann...e-client/98587

also.. dem repair costs, probably not bugged, to prevent people from throwing themselves suicide mode at stuff?
Also feels like they upped item drop a ton, but that currency drop still feels low... geting like 100s per Lv109 mob kill >.>

[Lumi]

Recently tried this beta but after the 3 years I spent playing RO, I think ToS was just a reminder of that and while it was fun for a few hours I found myself already getting tired of it.

Maybe it'll be better when it's not laggy to fuck ;__;

[SamanosukeShiva]

Lots of the classes needs to be balanced too for sure, right now only Barb and Pyro do high damage, the rest are kinda meh at best. Good luck finding any archer build that's any good on damage or even do half as much damage as Barb and Pyro.

Overkill mechanic also heavily favor swordsman classes with one hit big dick damage skills, and the one with smaller but multihits damage skills get shafted on the exp bonus.

[Kachiko]

It's a fun game, for sure, but it's got pretty apparent issues. STR/INT being meaningless is a big design issue, as well as the Over-kill mechanic. Hell, they even screwed up by not giving all classes sprint. It's almost comical how they gave all of the best DPS/leveling features (that we can see so far), to the sword class, while giving other classes some very cool, but nowhere near as useful, utility.

Somehow, they even messed up the leveling content, as I saw Steparu say, on Twitch, that leveling wasn't near this hard in KRO. I'm not really sure how you acomplish that, when you mostly just translating text at this point, but, dunno. Not that the quest system is all that well implemented, what with those stupid cards; it should just be built into completing the quests, and make sure you have repeatable quests, to fill in the exp gaps between your main quest and side-quests.

Won't even go into the client-side hosting of so much data, and the can of worms that will release.

I think what it's going to boil down to is that it's going to be a fun game, but not a very well designed one, and nobody would even be looking at it except for Rose-tinted glasses for most peoples first MMO experience.

[Gulkeeva]

It's a fun game, for sure, but it's got pretty apparent issues. STR/INT being meaningless is a big design issue, as well as the Over-kill mechanic. Hell, they even screwed up by not giving all classes sprint. It's almost comical how they gave all of the best DPS/leveling features (that we can see so far), to the sword class, while giving other classes some very cool, but nowhere near as useful, utility.

Somehow, they even messed up the leveling content, as I saw Steparu say, on Twitch, that leveling wasn't near this hard in KRO. I'm not really sure how you acomplish that, when you mostly just translating text at this point, but, dunno. Not that the quest system is all that well implemented, what with those stupid cards; it should just be built into completing the quests, and make sure you have repeatable quests, to fill in the exp gaps between your main quest and side-quests.

Won't even go into the client-side hosting of so much data, and the can of worms that will release.

I think what it's going to boil down to is that it's going to be a fun game, but not a very well designed one, and nobody would even be looking at it except for Rose-tinted glasses for most peoples first MMO experience.

haha yup, many won't like the grind... they will stay around the lower levels as exp gaps are massive, and not many will want to sit and grind or "have to save exp cards" to get past a massive hill and struggle on most any class (excluding barbarian) to do higher level quests.

Overall I kind of like it, mainly because of how crafts work you can make some decent silver. Its like recipes low lvl require high lvl ingredients, and high lvl recipes you find require low lvl stuff >.> Having to sit and check the database to see what to sell haha

p.s. As far as I know, current TOS is 3X? the exp of KTOS.
p.s.s. for those just so randomly wondering, the "cloth/leather/plate" mastery max's out at lv 50 >.> (and yes thats a very long time)

[Kachiko]

The crafting thing's all over the place; too much so, as everything is used in something but, as you said, recipies are all over the place, so it's almost random luck to see the mats you need and the recipie. At least I'm set at 75, with the Karlusto staff, as I got the mats before the whole AH/chat issues. Maybe they'll correct the repair thing too, because that's a big kick in the gut at the low levels we're at.

[Gulkeeva]

Got the steel staff myself, its not hard to make...!

also.. wish I could find these somewhere...
http://www.tosbase.com/database/items/512111/

Pretty sure the recipe would be in the lv 100ish area's...

[Bombur]

Money got nerfed big time, reduction of NPC sell price on almost everything, teleport cost a lot, repair costs a lot.

Time to roll a squire lol

Looks like there will be a maintenance tonight. Apparently this was all a simple mistake, and all will be fixed tonight. They are also going to open up the Latin American Server.

[Bombur]

Apparently someone found a glitch that gives you massive amounts of money.

http://i.imgur.com/U7KxqaY.jpg

[Gulkeeva]

I'm sure the squires made decent money though (unsure how much it costs them to do repairs though) then again I saw some do some rip off prices of repairs haha. Anyway that latin servers up, but I doubt many will move to it now considering its one week into the beta... until...! the end of the current not latin america servers beta ends and they get shut down.