Warrior Fantasy XIV: 1.0 Strikes Back [WAR/MRD 2.1 Update Thread]

[MisterBob]

Fracture out of Defiance is a large damage-per-second gain, small damage-per-TP loss.
Fracture in Defiance is a small damage-per-second gain, large damage-per-TP loss.



I'm pretty much BiS and highest I've parsed on a T9 kill is ~230 DPS. The strategy we use doesn't exactly squeeze maximum Warrior damage, but 300 seems out of reach.

Sounds like you aren't in STR gear/STR spec. You don't need more than 9500 HP for T9.

If you are and you're only parsing ~230, uh, you're bad?

[Raldo]

Might be focusing on keeping Storm's Path up.

Maxing DPS is cool and all, but if it makes the party's job harder...

[BerenTebogo]

Currently our MT PLD tanks in full i110 STR accs as well (mainly to keep hate off of me) so his HP is right around 7k. We get it done.

And honestly, our healing squad is decent/good. We're not running with superstar heals here.

[Raldo]

Well, then our group is doing something severely wrong, because my crew can't even get past phase 1 of T9 after roughly three hours of trying, mostly simply due to the MT getting absolutely rocked. We simply concluded that the MT needed more gear (which shouldn't be true, if your MT can do it in full STR accessories), and stopped trying for the time being.

[BerenTebogo]

Well, then our group is doing something severely wrong, because my crew can't even get past phase 1 after roughly three hours of trying, mostly simply due to the MT getting absolutely rocked.

Everyone starts off like this. Was a time that even with like 8k+ HP our MT was getting his shit pushed in. It's all about CD management + healers properly pre-shielding with SS (and sometimes adlo). Also pushing phase change before the 4th(?) Ravensbeak is pretty important since that's the one where you eat dive + ascent at the same time and it pushes your shit in hard.

[bokchoykn]

Sounds like you aren't in STR gear/STR spec. You don't need more than 9500 HP for T9.

If you are and you're only parsing ~230, uh, you're bad?

I am Str 30 and I tank this in 4 Ruby 1 Slaying.

Are you parsing from start to finish? Or is your parse stopping during downtime (eg. Megaflare)?

People use different ways to parse to inflate their stats on certain fights. If your parser is splitting the parse midway through the fight, and you're simply compiling the numbers after each split, yeah your DPS numbers will look high.

I'm parsing total damage divided by the time between pulling the boss and the killing blow. My damage output of about 70% of our top damage dealer.

[MisterBob]

Might be focusing on keeping Storm's Path up.

Maxing DPS is cool and all, but if it makes the party's job harder...

You can Storm's Path periodically, especially before Claws, but keeping at 100% uptime is silly. Nael doesn't do much damage outside of Claw/Beak/Meteor Stream

[BerenTebogo]

I am Str 30 and I tank this in 4 Ruby 1 Slaying.

Are you parsing from start to finish? Or is your parse stopping during downtime (eg. Megaflare)?

People use different metrics to inflate their stats on certain fights. If your parser is splitting the parse midway through the fight, and you're simply compiling the numbers after each split, yeah your DPS numbers will look high.

Parse I posted is completely unstopped / unmerged (from our DRG) and has me at 241. Mine which has stops and needed to be merged had me at 271 for the fight (with about a minute of untargetable time taken out).

[Seravi Edalborez]

Fairly certain Path won't even reduce Meteor Stream, as it's dealt by "Nael Geminus".

[bokchoykn]

Parse I posted is completely unstopped / unmerged (from our DRG) and has me at 241. Mine which has stops and needed to be merged had me at 271 for the fight (with about a minute of untargetable time taken out).

I'll parse again tonight, but 300 is out of reach using the first method (any other parse method is kinda dumb imho).

I've been prioritizing SP in the entire final phase.

[BerenTebogo]

I'll parse again tonight, but 300 is out of reach using the first method (any other parse method is kinda dumb imho).

I've been prioritizing SP in the entire final phase.

I agree 300 unmerged is out of the question, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to pull 265-275 or a bit higher unmerged.

I don't think I use storm's path even once in the fight tbh.

[Niiro]

Does anyone know if HP drained from Bloodbath/SP/IB accrues extra hate?

ie. Hate for the damage dealt + 1/2 the value of HP drained (since HP healed is half the hate of damage per point).

Not something that would ever really matter, just curious.

[Taint]

I agree 300 unmerged is out of the question, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible to pull 265-275 or a bit higher unmerged.

I don't think I use storm's path even once in the fight tbh.

Do you have any hate issues during the first minute or so? I solo tank t9 now but before we went PLD/WAR and if our WAR hit a crit on the first couple BBs he would pull hate. Nothing a PLD can do with WARs that crit 1400-1500.

[Raldo]

Ye olde beta tests showed Bloodbath heals didn't affect enmity gains, but I haven't seen any recent tests. I assume it doesn't.

Along those same lines, does Second Wind / Thrill of Battle give you enmity relative to your HP restored? Benediction / Lustrate sure seem to give some hate, but idk about the rest of the non-spell heals.

[BerenTebogo]

Do you have any hate issues during the first minute or so? I solo tank t9 now but before we went PLD/WAR and if our WAR hit a crit on the first couple BBs he would pull hate. Nothing a PLD can do with WARs that crit 1400-1500.

I did have a lot of troubles there and during the first heavensfall until our PLD started also tanking in full STR accessories with novus as well. Now I come close, but as long as I SE > SE > BB for my opener instead of SE > BB > BB I'm fine.

Also my highest crit in T9 is something like 1679 on BB (with an Xpot).

[bokchoykn]

Does anyone know if HP drained from Bloodbath/SP/IB accrues extra hate?

ie. Hate for the damage dealt + 1/2 the value of HP drained (since HP healed is half the hate of damage per point).

Not something that would ever really matter, just curious.

They don't. You'll get ~70 damage worth of enmity for activating Bloodbath, but the healing effects from these don't actually generate extra enmity.

[bokchoykn]

Now I come close, but as long as I SE > SE > BB for my opener instead of SE > BB > BB I'm fine.

Do you tank in Phase 1 at all? I have to use BB for my fourth combo to prepare for the tank swap at Ravensbeak.

Trying to figure out how to squeeze out another 15-20 DPS to match your numbers. I tank until the second Ravensbeak, and I apply SE for all Ravensbeaks, Bahamut's Claws (as well as Thermionic Beam).

[BerenTebogo]

Do you tank in Phase 1 at all? I have to use BB for my fourth combo to prepare for the tank swap at Ravensbeak.

Trying to figure out how to squeeze out another 15-20 DPS to match your numbers. I tank until the second Ravensbeak, and I apply SE for all Ravensbeaks, Bahamut's Claws (as well as Thermionic Beam).

I don't tank in phase 1 at all. MT eats all 3 Ravensbeaks solo. We do 3 RB + 4 meteor every time. Usually jumps right before 2nd thermionic beam. I tank red golem in phase 2 and 3 but do so with unchained for the first and no defiance for the second. I'm basically another DPS until golem phase.

I also don't use xpots in phase 1 anymore, but with xpot the numbers do get pretty amusing.

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[bokchoykn]

Ahh okay. Yeah, I tank for about 30-35s in first phase, wearing 4 Ruby 1 Gloam. I also tank the red Golem, the Drake and I split two Bahamut's Claws with the MT.

I also make a point to apply path, because it is just too OP.

That's probably where our DPS numbers differ.

[BerenTebogo]

Ahh okay. Yeah, I tank for about 30-35s in first phase, wearing 4 Ruby 1 Gloam. I also tank the red Golem, the Drake and I split two Bahamut's Claws with the MT.

I also make a point to apply path, because it is just too OP.

That's probably where our DPS numbers differ.

I do tank the reds + the ghost, but yeah I don't split claws.